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==Question: Is the doctrine that God the Father and Jesus Christ have physical bodies not Biblical?==
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===The absence of God's body is thus only present in John 4:24 if one approaches it with that preconception===
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Is the doctrine that God the Father and Jesus Christ have physical bodies not Biblical?
 
 
 
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===John 4:24===
 
  
 
In [http://scriptures.lds.org/en/john/4/24#24 John 4:24] Jesus says:
 
In [http://scriptures.lds.org/en/john/4/24#24 John 4:24] Jesus says:
  
:24 God is ''a Spirit'': and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.  
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24 God is ''a Spirit'': and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.  
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It is sometimes claimed that this verse proves that God is non-corporeal: i.e., a spirit, and nothing but a spirit.
 
It is sometimes claimed that this verse proves that God is non-corporeal: i.e., a spirit, and nothing but a spirit.
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However, there is no indefinite article in Greek (the indefinite article in English is "a," as in "a spirit."  The ''New International Version'' (NIV) translation of the same verse reads:
 
However, there is no indefinite article in Greek (the indefinite article in English is "a," as in "a spirit."  The ''New International Version'' (NIV) translation of the same verse reads:
  
:God is ''spirit'', and his worshipers must worship in spirit and truth.
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God is ''spirit'', and his worshipers must worship in spirit and truth.
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One non-LDS work noted of this verse:
 
One non-LDS work noted of this verse:
  
:That God ''is spirit'' is not meant as a definition of God's being—though this is how the Stoics would have understood it. It is a metaphor of his mode of operation, as life-giving power, and it is no more to be taken literally than I John i. 5, "God is light", or Deut. iv. 24, "Your God is a devouring fire". It is only those who have received this power through Christ who can offer God a real worship.<ref>{{book|author=Joseph Newbould Sanders|title=A Commentary on the Gospel according to John, ed. B. A. Mastin|place=New York|publisher=Harper & Row|date=1968|start=148|end=149|isbn=9780913573556}} {{eo}}</ref>
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That God ''is spirit'' is not meant as a definition of God's being—though this is how the Stoics would have understood it. It is a metaphor of his mode of operation, as life-giving power, and it is no more to be taken literally than I John i. 5, "God is light", or Deut. iv. 24, "Your God is a devouring fire". It is only those who have received this power through Christ who can offer God a real worship.<ref>{{book|author=Joseph Newbould Sanders|title=A Commentary on the Gospel according to John, ed. B. A. Mastin|place=New York|publisher=Harper & Row|date=1968|start=148|end=149|isbn=9780913573556}} {{eo}}</ref>
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The absence of God's body is thus only present in this scripture if one approaches it with that preconception. There is nothing which requires such a reading, and much that does not.
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The absence of God's body is thus only present in this scripture if one approaches it with that preconception. There is nothing which requires such a reading, and much that does not.
  
 
Even the presumption that ''spirit'' means being immaterial is not scriptural, and is the product of later thinking:  "in Scripture...there is no indication that by spirit and soul were meant any such principles as form or immateriality."<ref>{{book1|author=Harry A. Wolfson|title=Philo: Foundations of Religious Philosophy in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam|place=Cambridge|publisher=Harvard University Press|date=1948|start=2:95|isbn=9780674021143}}</ref>
 
Even the presumption that ''spirit'' means being immaterial is not scriptural, and is the product of later thinking:  "in Scripture...there is no indication that by spirit and soul were meant any such principles as form or immateriality."<ref>{{book1|author=Harry A. Wolfson|title=Philo: Foundations of Religious Philosophy in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam|place=Cambridge|publisher=Harvard University Press|date=1948|start=2:95|isbn=9780674021143}}</ref>
  
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Latest revision as of 15:25, 13 April 2024


Question: Is the doctrine that God the Father and Jesus Christ have physical bodies not Biblical?

The absence of God's body is thus only present in John 4:24 if one approaches it with that preconception

In John 4:24 Jesus says:

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

It is sometimes claimed that this verse proves that God is non-corporeal: i.e., a spirit, and nothing but a spirit.

However, there is no indefinite article in Greek (the indefinite article in English is "a," as in "a spirit." The New International Version (NIV) translation of the same verse reads:

God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and truth.

One non-LDS work noted of this verse:

That God is spirit is not meant as a definition of God's being—though this is how the Stoics would have understood it. It is a metaphor of his mode of operation, as life-giving power, and it is no more to be taken literally than I John i. 5, "God is light", or Deut. iv. 24, "Your God is a devouring fire". It is only those who have received this power through Christ who can offer God a real worship.[1]

The absence of God's body is thus only present in this scripture if one approaches it with that preconception. There is nothing which requires such a reading, and much that does not.

Even the presumption that spirit means being immaterial is not scriptural, and is the product of later thinking: "in Scripture...there is no indication that by spirit and soul were meant any such principles as form or immateriality."[2]


Notes

  1. Joseph Newbould Sanders, A Commentary on the Gospel according to John, ed. B. A. Mastin (New York: Harper & Row, 1968), 148–149. ISBN 9780913573556 (emphasis in original)
  2. Harry A. Wolfson, Philo: Foundations of Religious Philosophy in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1948), 2:95. ISBN 9780674021143.