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It is claimed:  
 
#Joseph uttered a false prophecy in telling Orson Hyde that he would drink wine with him in Palestine.
 
#Joseph showed his disregard for the Word of Wisdom by promising to drink wine.
 
 
 
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Joseph's prophecy of drinking wine with Hyde in Palestine is reminiscent of Jesus' promise to the apostles that he would drink of wine when the kingdom of God was come ({{b||Luke|22|18}}) which was reiterated in a revelation to Joseph Smith ({{s||D&C|27|5}}).  Joseph prophesied that he would drink with Hyde there&mdash;but whether he would go to Palestine in this life was something about which he immediately expressed uncertainty.
 
 
 
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Those who offer this criticism make three errors:
 
# they do not cite the entire text
 
# they refuse to consider a fulfillment after this life.
 
# they ignore the Word of Wisdom's application in historical context.
 
 
 
==The prophecy==
 
Joseph was not certain that he would see Palestine during this life.  As can be seen below, Joseph (1) prophesied that he would drink wine with Hyde in the Holy Land; and then (2) expressed hope that he would go with the Twelve to the Holy Land, but was aware he might not live, and left the matter to God's will:
 
 
 
:Elder Hyde told of the excellent white wine he drank in the east [Palestine]. Joseph prophesied in the name of the Lord that he would drink wine with him in that country. Joseph [said], "From the 6th day of April next, I go in for preparing with all present for a Mission through the United States and when we arrive {page 143} at Maine we will take ship for England and so on to all countries where we are a mind for to go." P[r]e[se]nt: H[yrum] Smith, B[righam] Young, H[eber] C. Kimball, Orson Hyde, Orson Pratt, John Taylor, W[ilford] Woodruff, Geo[rge] A. Smith, [and] W[illard] Richards.
 
 
 
:[Joseph said,] "We must write for John E. Page. We must love the whole Quorum. We must send Kings and Queens to Nauvoo and we will do it. We must all start from this place. Let the 12 [Apostles] be called in on the {page 143} 6th of April and a notice be given for a special conference on the platform on [the] House of the Lord. We are sure to go as we live till spring. '''If I live I [will] take these b[r]ethren through these United States and through the world. I will make just as big a wake as God Almighty will let me'''."<ref>{{AmericanProphetsRecord| pages=294}} </ref>
 
 
 
==The Word of Wisdom==
 
In Joseph's day, wine was not forbidden by the Word of Wisdom.  Critics count on their audience thinking that the prophets have commanded the same degree of observance of the Word of Wisdom throughout Church history. 
 
 
 
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