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==Question: Did Joseph Smith plagiarize passages from Gilbert Hunt's book ''The Late War, between the United States and Great Britain, from June, 1812, to February, 1815''?==
 
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===An assumption is being made that Joseph Smith must have read Gilbert Hunt's ''The Late War'' in the absence of any evidence to support it===
  
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Chris Johnson, Duane Johnson, in  "A Comparison of The Book of Mormon and The Late War Between the United States and Great Britain,"<ref>Online at <nowiki>http://wordtreefoundation.github.io/thelatewar/</nowiki>.</ref>propose a number of parallel sentence structures between Gilbert Hunt's book ''The Late War'' and the Book of Mormon. The authors conclude that Joseph Smith read Hunt's book while in school (without any actual evidence that Joseph ever actually saw the book). They base this conclusion upon the assumption that the book was widely available, and therefore Joseph ''must'' have read it. Hence, they conclude that Joseph constructed the Book of Mormon by using structural elements of ''The Late War''. The evidence is presented as a series of comparisons between the Book of Mormon and ''The Late War''.
  
===It is claimed that both books mention “striplings” who went to war===
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===Seventy-five of the parallels identified as significant between the two texts came from the Copyright statements of the two books===
  
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Seventy-five of the parallels identified as significant between the two texts came from the Copyright statement. Why? Because the copyright statement was a fill-in-the-blank form. It had a certain set of language that was standardized for the period. So books copyrighted in the same general area at the same general time, such at ''The Late War'' and the ''Book of Mormon'', would have nearly identical copyright statements. And this study found 75 parallels between the two. This shouldn't surprise us, because of course, both books had copyright statements that were reliant on a common source. And we can see from this dense material that there is a relationship between the two. But anyone who actually looks at the texts will also see that this has nothing to do with what might be termed the creative content in each work.
*Book of Mormon, Alma 53:18-20: two thousand of those young men ... to defend their country. ... they took their weapons of war, ... were all young men, and they were exceeding valiant for courage, ...<ref>Alma 53:18-20</ref>
 
*The Late War 35:5-6: two thousand hardy men, who ... fought freely for their country ... Now the men of war ... were ... men of dauntless courage.<ref>''The Late War'', 35:5-6. http://wordtreefoundation.github.io/thelatewar/</ref>
 
  
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===Most of the similarities occur simply because both ''The Late War'' and the ''Book of Mormon'' use the language of the King James Bible===
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18 Now behold, there were <span style="color:blue">two thousand of those young men</span>, who entered into this covenant and took their weapons of war <span style="color:blue">to defend their country.</span>
 
  
19 And now behold, as they never had hitherto been a disadvantage to the Nephites, they became now at this period of time also a great support; for <span style="color:blue">they took their weapons of war</span>, and they would that Helaman should be their leader.
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Most of the similarities occur because they both use the language of the King James Bible. For both, the language choice seems like a stylistic decision (and not determined by the content). And in fact, the Book of Mormon quotes from Isaiah a couple of dozen chapters. This creates a relationship between the Bible and both of these books. The computer model doesn't have a way of separating style or word choice from content and meaning (and both texts can use the same phrase in different ways). We have to read it to realize that while one is simply copying the Bible (mining it for phrases), the other is creating theological discussion by taking a passage and expanding on it. 2 Nephi 2 quotes from Genesis about Adam and Eve, and then goes from there to provide commentary and discussion about the theology involved. The Late War may use the language or even quote from the Old Testament, but it never goes through commentary and
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theological discussion. That isn't its purpose. Sometimes the same passages get used. The Late War makes references to a specific battle and describes it as a David versus Goliath encounter. The Book of Mormon uses the David and Goliath narrative in an allusion to the Old Testament. They are very, very different ways of using the Old  Testament text - even if on the surface, they use the same bit of material. All of this is important because if The Late War served as a model, or lent its language, we would expect perhaps to see other things influenced by it as well. And, we don't. But the computer model isn't capable of judging the quality of the parallels being offered.
  
20 And they <span style="color:blue">were all young men, and they were exceedingly valiant for courage,</span> and also for strength and activity; but behold, this was not all—they were men who were true at all times in whatsoever thing they were entrusted.
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===The authors employ a fallacy that is called the Texas Marksman (or the Texas Bulls Eye)===
  
21 Yea, they were men of truth and soberness, for they had been taught to keep the commandments of God and to walk uprightly before him.
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The authors of the study present us these lists of similarities. In presenting this list, we get presented with a fallacy that is called the Texas Marksman (or the Texas Bulls Eye). Essentially, the way the reference works is that you shoot a bunch of rounds into the side of your barn, and then you go up to the holes and paint your target around them (giving you the best and tightest clustering). Usually, the way these models work in accepted applications is that you start by testing the model in situations where you already know the outcome. That way, you can see how reliable your new model is. And if it is highly reliable in known cases, then you can start cautiously applying it to unknown models (you don't create your own target this way).  
  
22 And now it came to pass that Helaman did march at the head of his two thousand <span style="color:blue">stripling</span> soldiers, to the support of the people in the borders of the land on the south by the west sea.
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By intuiting that it must be right, this model used with The Late War simply skipped the testing part. But this created one of the biggest obvious problems with the theory. They didn't stop with the Book of Mormon. They ran a test on a Jane Austin novel, and found a source (a relatively unknown book from 1810). Why is this important? Austin was a prolific writer, sending thousands of letters during her lifetime detailing what she was reading, her influences, writing about her writing, and so on. We have a huge body of literature devoted to dealing with her writing (she was one of the most important writers of the period). So when you have a statistical model that produces a brand new source, not noticed by anyone previously, not mentioned in any of her letters, and so on - there ought to be a bit of a red flag raised. But there wasn't. Had this theory been introduced to academic literary theorists - this would have been the major point of dispute (since they don't really care about the Book of Mormon).  
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''The Late War'' Chapter 35 (p.126):
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Furthermore, the methodology employed by the Johnson's itself has been criticized by experts in the field. Consider the thoughts of [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/professor-harold-love-394666.html Harold Love] on the work of Donald W. Foster, who argued for the authorship of Shakespeare of an unattributed poem from 1612 using "a trawling of the vast electronic databases now available in search of phrasal parallels and rare vocabulary"<ref>Harold Love, ''Attributing Authorship: An Introduction'' (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2002), 147.</ref>:
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5 Immediately Jackson took <span style="color:blue">two thousand hardy men, who</span> were called volunteers, because they had, unsolicited, offered their services <span style="color:blue">to their country</span>, and led them against the savages.
 
  
6 <span style="color:blue">Now the men of war</span> who followed after him <span style="color:blue">were</span> mostly from the state of Tennessee, and <span style="color:blue">men of dauntless courage</span>.
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:"Instead of using the mathematics of probability to compare frequencies of stylistic usage, the new attributionists look on the widest of available scales for characteristic words and word clusters, which are assumed either to be conscious recollections of earlier texts (including those of the same author) or subconscious examples of authorial idiolect." ("Attributing Authorship" p. 149)
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However, this passage from the ''Late War'' does not mention "striplings" or "stripling soldiers". In order to find the word "stripling," one must go to back to Chapter 19:32, or Chapter 28:2:
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Love further critiqued the methodology, saying:
  
''The Late War Chapter 19 (p. 69):
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:"considered as a method for establishing attributions for older texts, it runs all the dangers that Greg and Schoenbaum identified with the ‘parallelographic school’ of the early twentieth century. Chief among these is knowing when a similarity in expression actually constitutes a parallel close enough to be enrolled as evidence for derivation or common authorship" ("Attributing Authorship" p. 148).
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32 About this time, a <span style="color:blue">stripling</span> from the south, with his weapon of war in his hand, ran up to Zebulon, and spake unto him, saying
 
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''The Late War, Chapter 28 (p. 99):
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And also noted:
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2 And the vessels of war of Columbia that were upon the waters of the lake were not yet prepared for the battle; the name of their commander was M'Donough, a <span style="color:blue">stripling.</span>
 
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:"What I will call as a convenient shorthand the ‘memory mechanism’ approach, with all its promise, offers no formal method of verification, but relies on the inherent plausibility or implausibility of the patterns presented." ("Attributing Authorship" p. 151)
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===It is claimed that both books mention that “the people began to fortify themselves and entrench the high Places round about the city”===
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Did this model that the Johnson's used really find a previously unknown and unidentified source of Jane Austin's work? Or did it simply create the illusion of doing this by painting a bulls eye after clustering its data? Scholarly analysis places confidence in the latter position (as a side note, discovering a new source for Jane Austin would be a thesis-significant sort of discovery). The paper the Johnsons wrote was submitted to Dialogue  (who are usually sympathetic, given the purpose of the journal, to these types of claims and theories) yet they rejected the proposal. All indications would tell us that the methodology used to establish connections between The Late War and and the Book of Mormon is dubious and the supposed parallels of the same caliber.
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===There has been no response from the Johnsons since their conclusions were rebutted in 2013 and 2018 in scholarly Latter-day Saint journals===
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The conference at which Chris and Duane presented their findings was held in October 2013. In that same month, Latter-day Saint literary theorist Benjamin L. McGuire published a response to the findings of the brothers in ''Interpreter: A Journal of Mormon Scripture'' using similar methods&mdash;concluding that the Late War likely had little to no influence on the composition of the text of the Book of Mormon.<ref>Benjamin L. McGuire, "[https://journal.interpreterfoundation.org/the-late-war-against-the-book-of-mormon/ The Late War Against the Book of Mormon]," ''Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship'' 7 (2013): 323&ndash;55.</ref> That was followed in November 2013 by a piece by Bruce Schaalje giving a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_inference Bayesian] analysis of the likelihood that Joseph Smith used the Late War in the composition of the Book of Mormon&mdash;similarly concluding that it is unlikely that Joseph Smith was influenced by the Late War in the composition of the Book of Mormon.<ref>G. Bruce Schaalje, "A Bayesian Cease-Fire in the Late War on the Book of Mormon," ''The Interpreter Foundation'', November 6, 2013, https://journal.interpreterfoundation.org/blog-a-bayesian-cease-fire-in-the-late-war-on-the-book-of-mormon/.</ref> Finally, in 2018, Latter-day Saint linguist Stanford Carmack compared the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syntax syntax] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphology_(linguistics)#Paradigms_and_morphosyntax morphosyntax] of ''The Late War'', King James Bible, and Book of Mormon, and concluded that the Late War did not have influence on the composition of the Book of Mormon.<ref>Stanford Carmack, "[https://journal.interpreterfoundation.org/is-the-book-of-mormon-a-pseudo-archaic-text/ Is the Book of Mormon a Pseudo-Archaic Text?]" ''Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship'' 28 (2018): 177&ndash;232. Carmack later pointed out some pitfalls of using Google's n-gram viewer to determine the popularity of a phrase in 19th century literature. See Stanford Carmack, "[https://journal.interpreterfoundation.org/pitfalls-of-the-ngram-viewer/ Pitfalls of the Ngram Viewer]," ''Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship'' 36 (2020): 187&ndash;210. The problems pointed out there should inform further discussions of n-gram incidence between two works as helpful in determining authorship of any work.</ref> As of 2022, the Johnsons have not disputed any of these conclusions in scholarly venues.<ref>One does find a [https://journal.interpreterfoundation.org/comments-page/?id=4215 very brief exchange] between Chris Johnson and Benjamin McGuire in the comments section of McGuire's article. This, however, does not represent the kind of scholarly dispute one might expect to constitute a legitimate response to another scholar's work rather than just an expression of immediate questions and doubts.</ref>
  
 Objects made “partly of brass and partly of iron, and were cunningly contrived with curious works, like unto a clock; and as it were a large ball.”
 
 “Their polished steels of fine workmanship.”
 
 “Nevertheless, it was so that the freeman came to the defence of the city, built strong holds and forts and raised up fortifications in abundance.”
 
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 Three Indian Prophets.
 
 “Rod of iron.”
 
 War between the wicked and righteous.
 
 Maintaining the standard of liberty with righteousness.
 
 Righteous Indians vs. savage Indians.
 
 False Indian prophets.
 
 Conversion of Indians.
 
 Bands of robbers/pirates marauding the righteous protagonists.
 
 Brass plates.
 
 “And it came to pass, that a great multitude flocked to the banners of the great Sanhedrim” compared to Alma 62:5: “And it came to pass that thousands did flock unto his standard, and did take up their swords in defense of their freedom…”
 
 Worthiness of Christopher Columbus.
 
 Ships crossing the ocean.
 
 A battle at a fort where righteous white protagonists are attacked by an army made up of dark-skinned natives driven by a white military leader. White protagonists are prepared for battle and slaughter their opponents to such an extent that they fill the trenches surrounding the fort with dead bodies. The surviving elements flee into the wilderness/forest.
 
 Cataclysmic earthquake followed by great darkness.
 
 Elephants/mammoths in America.
 
 Literary Hebraisms/Chiasmus.
 
 Boats and barges built from trees after the fashion of the ark.
 
 A bunch of “it came to pass”
 
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Question: Did Joseph Smith plagiarize passages from Gilbert Hunt's book The Late War, between the United States and Great Britain, from June, 1812, to February, 1815?

Book of Mormon Central, KnoWhy #502: Is the Book of Mormon Like Any Other Nineteenth Century Book? (Video)

An assumption is being made that Joseph Smith must have read Gilbert Hunt's The Late War in the absence of any evidence to support it

Chris Johnson, Duane Johnson, in "A Comparison of The Book of Mormon and The Late War Between the United States and Great Britain,"[1]propose a number of parallel sentence structures between Gilbert Hunt's book The Late War and the Book of Mormon. The authors conclude that Joseph Smith read Hunt's book while in school (without any actual evidence that Joseph ever actually saw the book). They base this conclusion upon the assumption that the book was widely available, and therefore Joseph must have read it. Hence, they conclude that Joseph constructed the Book of Mormon by using structural elements of The Late War. The evidence is presented as a series of comparisons between the Book of Mormon and The Late War.

Seventy-five of the parallels identified as significant between the two texts came from the Copyright statements of the two books

Seventy-five of the parallels identified as significant between the two texts came from the Copyright statement. Why? Because the copyright statement was a fill-in-the-blank form. It had a certain set of language that was standardized for the period. So books copyrighted in the same general area at the same general time, such at The Late War and the Book of Mormon, would have nearly identical copyright statements. And this study found 75 parallels between the two. This shouldn't surprise us, because of course, both books had copyright statements that were reliant on a common source. And we can see from this dense material that there is a relationship between the two. But anyone who actually looks at the texts will also see that this has nothing to do with what might be termed the creative content in each work.

Most of the similarities occur simply because both The Late War and the Book of Mormon use the language of the King James Bible

Most of the similarities occur because they both use the language of the King James Bible. For both, the language choice seems like a stylistic decision (and not determined by the content). And in fact, the Book of Mormon quotes from Isaiah a couple of dozen chapters. This creates a relationship between the Bible and both of these books. The computer model doesn't have a way of separating style or word choice from content and meaning (and both texts can use the same phrase in different ways). We have to read it to realize that while one is simply copying the Bible (mining it for phrases), the other is creating theological discussion by taking a passage and expanding on it. 2 Nephi 2 quotes from Genesis about Adam and Eve, and then goes from there to provide commentary and discussion about the theology involved. The Late War may use the language or even quote from the Old Testament, but it never goes through commentary and theological discussion. That isn't its purpose. Sometimes the same passages get used. The Late War makes references to a specific battle and describes it as a David versus Goliath encounter. The Book of Mormon uses the David and Goliath narrative in an allusion to the Old Testament. They are very, very different ways of using the Old Testament text - even if on the surface, they use the same bit of material. All of this is important because if The Late War served as a model, or lent its language, we would expect perhaps to see other things influenced by it as well. And, we don't. But the computer model isn't capable of judging the quality of the parallels being offered.

The authors employ a fallacy that is called the Texas Marksman (or the Texas Bulls Eye)

The authors of the study present us these lists of similarities. In presenting this list, we get presented with a fallacy that is called the Texas Marksman (or the Texas Bulls Eye). Essentially, the way the reference works is that you shoot a bunch of rounds into the side of your barn, and then you go up to the holes and paint your target around them (giving you the best and tightest clustering). Usually, the way these models work in accepted applications is that you start by testing the model in situations where you already know the outcome. That way, you can see how reliable your new model is. And if it is highly reliable in known cases, then you can start cautiously applying it to unknown models (you don't create your own target this way).

By intuiting that it must be right, this model used with The Late War simply skipped the testing part. But this created one of the biggest obvious problems with the theory. They didn't stop with the Book of Mormon. They ran a test on a Jane Austin novel, and found a source (a relatively unknown book from 1810). Why is this important? Austin was a prolific writer, sending thousands of letters during her lifetime detailing what she was reading, her influences, writing about her writing, and so on. We have a huge body of literature devoted to dealing with her writing (she was one of the most important writers of the period). So when you have a statistical model that produces a brand new source, not noticed by anyone previously, not mentioned in any of her letters, and so on - there ought to be a bit of a red flag raised. But there wasn't. Had this theory been introduced to academic literary theorists - this would have been the major point of dispute (since they don't really care about the Book of Mormon).

Furthermore, the methodology employed by the Johnson's itself has been criticized by experts in the field. Consider the thoughts of Harold Love on the work of Donald W. Foster, who argued for the authorship of Shakespeare of an unattributed poem from 1612 using "a trawling of the vast electronic databases now available in search of phrasal parallels and rare vocabulary"[2]:

"Instead of using the mathematics of probability to compare frequencies of stylistic usage, the new attributionists look on the widest of available scales for characteristic words and word clusters, which are assumed either to be conscious recollections of earlier texts (including those of the same author) or subconscious examples of authorial idiolect." ("Attributing Authorship" p. 149)

Love further critiqued the methodology, saying:

"considered as a method for establishing attributions for older texts, it runs all the dangers that Greg and Schoenbaum identified with the ‘parallelographic school’ of the early twentieth century. Chief among these is knowing when a similarity in expression actually constitutes a parallel close enough to be enrolled as evidence for derivation or common authorship" ("Attributing Authorship" p. 148).

And also noted:

"What I will call as a convenient shorthand the ‘memory mechanism’ approach, with all its promise, offers no formal method of verification, but relies on the inherent plausibility or implausibility of the patterns presented." ("Attributing Authorship" p. 151)

Did this model that the Johnson's used really find a previously unknown and unidentified source of Jane Austin's work? Or did it simply create the illusion of doing this by painting a bulls eye after clustering its data? Scholarly analysis places confidence in the latter position (as a side note, discovering a new source for Jane Austin would be a thesis-significant sort of discovery). The paper the Johnsons wrote was submitted to Dialogue (who are usually sympathetic, given the purpose of the journal, to these types of claims and theories) yet they rejected the proposal. All indications would tell us that the methodology used to establish connections between The Late War and and the Book of Mormon is dubious and the supposed parallels of the same caliber.

There has been no response from the Johnsons since their conclusions were rebutted in 2013 and 2018 in scholarly Latter-day Saint journals

The conference at which Chris and Duane presented their findings was held in October 2013. In that same month, Latter-day Saint literary theorist Benjamin L. McGuire published a response to the findings of the brothers in Interpreter: A Journal of Mormon Scripture using similar methods—concluding that the Late War likely had little to no influence on the composition of the text of the Book of Mormon.[3] That was followed in November 2013 by a piece by Bruce Schaalje giving a Bayesian analysis of the likelihood that Joseph Smith used the Late War in the composition of the Book of Mormon—similarly concluding that it is unlikely that Joseph Smith was influenced by the Late War in the composition of the Book of Mormon.[4] Finally, in 2018, Latter-day Saint linguist Stanford Carmack compared the syntax and morphosyntax of The Late War, King James Bible, and Book of Mormon, and concluded that the Late War did not have influence on the composition of the Book of Mormon.[5] As of 2022, the Johnsons have not disputed any of these conclusions in scholarly venues.[6]


Notes

  1. Online at http://wordtreefoundation.github.io/thelatewar/.
  2. Harold Love, Attributing Authorship: An Introduction (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2002), 147.
  3. Benjamin L. McGuire, "The Late War Against the Book of Mormon," Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship 7 (2013): 323–55.
  4. G. Bruce Schaalje, "A Bayesian Cease-Fire in the Late War on the Book of Mormon," The Interpreter Foundation, November 6, 2013, https://journal.interpreterfoundation.org/blog-a-bayesian-cease-fire-in-the-late-war-on-the-book-of-mormon/.
  5. Stanford Carmack, "Is the Book of Mormon a Pseudo-Archaic Text?" Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship 28 (2018): 177–232. Carmack later pointed out some pitfalls of using Google's n-gram viewer to determine the popularity of a phrase in 19th century literature. See Stanford Carmack, "Pitfalls of the Ngram Viewer," Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship 36 (2020): 187–210. The problems pointed out there should inform further discussions of n-gram incidence between two works as helpful in determining authorship of any work.
  6. One does find a very brief exchange between Chris Johnson and Benjamin McGuire in the comments section of McGuire's article. This, however, does not represent the kind of scholarly dispute one might expect to constitute a legitimate response to another scholar's work rather than just an expression of immediate questions and doubts.