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| − | {{:Question: Did Joseph Smith have a Jupiter talisman on his person at the time of his death?}}
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| − | {{:Question: What is the source of the story about Joseph Smith possessing a Jupiter talisman?}}
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| − | ==Question: Could the list of items on Joseph's person at the time of his death have been incomplete?==
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| − | ===Bidamon's certification clearly states that the Talisman was "in the Prophet’s pocket when he was martyred"===
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| − | More recent arguments contend that Wood’s list was exaggerated or was an all together different type of list. For example, some suggest that since neither Joseph's gun or hat were on the report, the list must not be complete. It should be obvious, however, that these items were not found ''on Joseph's person''. The record clearly states that he dropped his gun and left it behind before being murdered. As for the hat, even if he had been wearing it indoors, it seems unlikely to have remained on his head after a gun-fight and fall from a second-story window.
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| − | Critics also argue that the Talisman was not accounted for was because it ought to have been worn around the neck, hidden from view and secret to all (including Emma no less). Thus, the argument runs, it was overlooked in the inventory. While it may be true that Talismans are worn around the neck, Bidamon's certification clearly states that the Talisman was "in the Prophet’s pocket when he was martyred." So which is it? In his pocket like a lucky charm or secretly worn around his neck as such an item should properly be used? In either case, the record is clear that he did not have a Talisman on his person at the time of his death. The rest is speculation.
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| − | The critics also resort to arguing that a prisoner could not possibly have had a penknife, so how accurate can the list of Joseph's possessions be? Obviously, the fact that he had a gun makes the possession of a knife a matter of no consequence.<ref>These are examples of later arguments by Quinn in an attempt to refute Anderson.</ref> Critics will dismiss contemporary evidence simply because it is inconvenient.
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| − | As a final note to the saga, when Durham was later asked how he felt about his speech regarding the Talisman, he replied:
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| − | <blockquote>I now wish I had presented some of my material differently.” “For instance, at the present time, after checking my data, I find no primary evidence that Joseph Smith ever possessed a Jupiter Talisman. The source for my comment was a second-hand, late source. It came from Wilford Wood, who was told it by Charlie Bidamon, who was told it by his father, Lewis Bidamon, who was Emma’s second husband and non-Mormon not too friendly to the LDS Church. So the idea that the Prophet had such a talisman is highly questionable.<ref>{{TruthGodmakers1|start=180}}</ref>
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