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| − | ==Question: What is the source of the story about Joseph Smith possessing a Jupiter talisman?==
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| − | ===The source of the Talisman story, upon which Dr. Durham based his remarks, was Wilford C. Wood, who was told it by Charles Bidamon, the son of Lewis Bidamon===
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| − | Lewis was Emma Smith's non-Mormon second husband. Charles was born following an affair between Lewis Bidamon and Nancy Abercrombie, which occurred while Lewis was married to Emma. Charles was taken in by Emma when four years old, and raised by her until her death 11 years later.<ref>Jerald R. Johansen, ''After the Martyrdom: What Happened to the Family of Joseph Smith'' (Springville, Utah: Horizon Publishers, 2004[1997]), 79. ISBN 0882905961. {{link|url=http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0882905961/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-7659138-5835160#reader-link}}</ref> (This action says much for Emma's charity.)
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| − | ===The talisman, or "silver pocket piece" as described in 1937, appeared on a list of items purportedly own by Joseph Smith which were to be sold by Charles Bidamon===
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| − | Richard Lloyd Anderson wrote that the Talisman, or "silver pocket piece" as described in 1937, appeared on a list of items purportedly own by Joseph Smith which were to be sold by Charles Bidamon. One item listed was "a silver pocket piece which was in the Prophet's pocket at the time of his assassination."<ref name="anderson">{{MatureJS}}</ref>{{Rp|541}} Wilford Wood, who collected Mormon memorabilia, purchased it in 1938 along with a document from Bidamon certifying that the Prophet possessed it when murdered. The affidavit sworn to by Charles Bidamon at the time of Wilford C. Wood's purchase was very specific:
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| − | This piece came to me through the relationship of my father, Major L. C. Bidamon, who married the Prophet Joseph Smith's widow, Emma Smith. I certify that I have many times heard her say, when being interviewed, and showing the piece, that it was in the Prophet's pocket when he was martyred at Carthage, Ill.<ref name="anderson"></ref>{{Rp|558}}
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| − | ===Bidamon waited fifty-eight years after Emma’s death to make his certification, and notes that at the time of her death he was only fifteen years old.===
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| − | Anderson noted that Bidamon waited fifty-eight years after Emma’s death to make his certification, and notes that at the time of her death he was only fifteen years old.
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| − | Durham based his comments on Wood's description for the item which was: "This piece [the Talisman] was in Joseph Smith's pocket when he was martyred at Carthage Jail."<ref name="anderson"></ref>{{Rp|558}}<ref>Original coming from LaMar C. Berett, ''The Wilford Wood Collection'', Vol. 1 (Provo, UT: Wilford C. Wood Foundation, 1972), 173.</ref> However, a list of the items in Joseph's possession at the time of his death was provided to Emma following the martyrdom. On this list there was no mention made of any Talisman-like item. If there had been such an article, it ought to have been listed.
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| − | ===The list of items in Joseph's possession at the time of his death did not list the talisman among them===
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| − | In 1984, Anderson located and published the itemized list of the contents of Joseph Smith's pockets at his death. The list was originally published in 1885 in Iowa by James W. Woods, Smith's lawyer, who collected the prophet's personal effects after the Martyrdom. The contents from the published 1885 printing are as follows:
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| − | Received, Nauvoo, Illinois, July 2, 1844, of James W. Woods, one hundred and thirty- five dollars and fifty cents in gold and silver and receipt for shroud, one gold finger ring, one gold pen and pencil case, one penknife, one pair of tweezers, one silk and one leather purse, one small pocket wallet containing a note of John P. Green for $50, and a receipt of Heber C. Kimball for a note of hand on Ellen M. Saunders for one thousand dollars, as the property of Joseph Smith. - Emma Smith.<ref name="anderson"></ref>{{Rp|558}}<ref>Anderson points to its original source in J. W. Woods "The Mormon Prophet," ''Daily Democrat'' (Ottumwa, Iowa), 10 May 1885; and in Edward H. Stiles, ''Recollections and Sketches of Notable Lawyers and Public Men of Early Iowa'' (Des Moines: Homestead Publishing Co., 1916), 271.</ref>
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| − | No Talisman or item like it is listed. It could not be mistaken for a coin or even a "Masonic Jewel" as Durham first thought. Anderson described the Talisman as being “an inch-and-a-half in diameter and covered with symbols and a prayer on one side and square of sixteen Hebrew characters on the other.”<ref name="anderson"></ref>{{Rp|541}} Significant is the fact that no associate of Joseph Smith has ever mentioned anything like this medallion. There are no interviews that ever record Emma mentioning any such item as attested to by Charles Bidamon, though he claimed she often spoke of it.
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| − | ==Question: Could the list of items on Joseph's person at the time of his death have been incomplete?==
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| − | ===Bidamon's certification clearly states that the Talisman was "in the Prophet’s pocket when he was martyred"===
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| − | More recent arguments contend that Wood’s list was exaggerated or was an all together different type of list. For example, some suggest that since neither Joseph's gun or hat were on the report, the list must not be complete. It should be obvious, however, that these items were not found ''on Joseph's person''. The record clearly states that he dropped his gun and left it behind before being murdered. As for the hat, even if he had been wearing it indoors, it seems unlikely to have remained on his head after a gun-fight and fall from a second-story window.
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| − | Critics also argue that the Talisman was not accounted for was because it ought to have been worn around the neck, hidden from view and secret to all (including Emma no less). Thus, the argument runs, it was overlooked in the inventory. While it may be true that Talismans are worn around the neck, Bidamon's certification clearly states that the Talisman was "in the Prophet’s pocket when he was martyred." So which is it? In his pocket like a lucky charm or secretly worn around his neck as such an item should properly be used? In either case, the record is clear that he did not have a Talisman on his person at the time of his death. The rest is speculation.
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| − | The critics also resort to arguing that a prisoner could not possibly have had a penknife, so how accurate can the list of Joseph's possessions be? Obviously, the fact that he had a gun makes the possession of a knife a matter of no consequence.<ref>These are examples of later arguments by Quinn in an attempt to refute Anderson.</ref> Critics will dismiss contemporary evidence simply because it is inconvenient.
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| − | As a final note to the saga, when Durham was later asked how he felt about his speech regarding the Talisman, he replied:
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| − | <blockquote>I now wish I had presented some of my material differently.” “For instance, at the present time, after checking my data, I find no primary evidence that Joseph Smith ever possessed a Jupiter Talisman. The source for my comment was a second-hand, late source. It came from Wilford Wood, who was told it by Charlie Bidamon, who was told it by his father, Lewis Bidamon, who was Emma’s second husband and non-Mormon not too friendly to the LDS Church. So the idea that the Prophet had such a talisman is highly questionable.<ref>{{TruthGodmakers1|start=180}}</ref>
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