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Snuffer insisted that he and his wife were better placed to get revelation on how a disciplinary council should proceed than his local leaders:
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:My wife prayed about this and was of the strongest of convictions that the family needed to be at the council. I agreed with her. Therefore, my children were all there to silently observe.<ref name="FHE">Denver Snuffer, "Last Night's Family Home Evening - Don't call me," from the desk of Denver Snuffer (blog), 9 September 2013, {{antilink|http://denversnuffer.blogspot.ca/2013/09/last-nights-family-home-evening-dont.html}}</ref>
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:We spent an hour in the hallway, outside the High Council room, discussing the stake president's refusal to allow my children to attend. My wife was welcome, my children were not. My wife explained that she had made it a subject of prayer, and in answer to prayer wanted them to be there. The stake president refused. He said it would be "a circus" to permit it. <ref name="FHE">Denver Snuffer, "Last Night's Family Home Evening - Don't call me," from the desk of Denver Snuffer (blog), 9 September 2013, {{antilink|http://denversnuffer.blogspot.ca/2013/09/last-nights-family-home-evening-dont.html}}</ref>
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:My wife reviewed the Church Handbook of Instructions. She explained to President Hunt that the book is silent, and does not bar children from attending. He admitted that was true but it was his decision to forbid them. My wife said it was my court and I ought to be allowed to have them with me. He replied it wasn't my court, but the church's.<ref name="don't know blog">Denver Snuffer, "Don't Know," from the desk of Denver Snuffer (blog), 9 September 2013, {{antilink|http://denversnuffer.blogspot.ca/2013/09/dont-know.html}}</ref>
 
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Snuffer and his wife do not understand or follow the teachings of Joseph Smith. In April 1833, Joseph wrote a member of the Church:
 
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:I will inform you that it is '''contrary to the economy of God for any member of the Church''', or any one, to receive instruction for those in authority, higher than themselves; therefore, you will see the impropriety of giving heed to them, but if any person have a vision or a visitation from a heavenly messenger, it must be for his own benefit and instruction; for the fundamental principles, government, and doctrine of the Church are vested in the keys of the kingdom.<ref>Letter to Jared Carter dated 13 April 1833 in {{HC|vol=3|num=338-339, emphasis added}} Also in {{TS|vol=5|num=24|date=1 Jan 1844|pages=752}}</ref>
 
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According to Joseph Smith, Snuffer and his wife ''cannot'' receive revelation for what their stake president&mdash;higher in authority in the Church than they--ought to do about a matter of Church government. If they did not get their revelation from God, where did it come from?
 
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Despite his claim to sustain, Snuffer would not even respect disciplinary council procedures and the stake president's decision to exclude the children from the proceeding.
 
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Snuffer claims that his concern was that his children would assume that he was in reality guilty of some moral transgression. The stake president assured them that this was not the case&mdash;his apostasy was the only issue. Even though Snuffer's purported concern had been addressed, he refused to attend if the children were not allowed in, and left.<ref name="FHE">Denver Snuffer, "Last Night's Family Home Evening - Don't call me," from the desk of Denver Snuffer (blog), 9 September 2013, {{antilink|http://denversnuffer.blogspot.ca/2013/09/last-nights-family-home-evening-dont.html}}</ref>
 
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Snuffer's attitude is reflected by at least one of his family members, which perhaps explains why the stake president did not wish to permit their attendance at the council:
 
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:He said that was a reasonable concern and he said to everyone of us that "this only has to do with a book." One of my daughters responded, almost to herself but loud enough we all heard her: "A book! A book! Are you serious?"<ref name="the facts">Denver Snuffer, "The Facts," from the desk of Denver Snuffer (blog), 20 June 2014, {{antilink|http://denversnuffer.blogspot.ca/2014/06/the-facts.html}}</ref>
 
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This is clear evidence that Snuffer's children do not understand the implications of his apostasy any more than their parents do.
 
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Snuffer later makes it sound as if he was refused admission to the council:
 
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:I was prevented from entering the room with my children. Therefore I was unable to speak with the High Council about the matter.<ref>Snuffer to First Presidency, Letter (13 September 2013), 2; reproduced in {{CriticalWork:Snuffer:Mesa|pages=42}}</ref>
 
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In fact, however, he was simply not permitted to use the council to serve his own agenda. He was able, and ''could have'' spoken with the High Council, but instead, chose to leave without participating or learning of the council's decision:
 
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:We talked for an hour in the hallway....The door to the High Council room was open. I assume they overheard the discussion. It was a little after 8:00 when we left.<ref name="FHE">Denver Snuffer, "Last Night's Family Home Evening - Don't call me," from the desk of Denver Snuffer (blog), 9 September 2013, {{antilink|http://denversnuffer.blogspot.ca/2013/09/last-nights-family-home-evening-dont.html}}</ref>
 
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Despite this self-reported behavior, Snuffer continued to insist that he sustained his local leaders, even while in the act of refusing to follow their instructions or attend the council because his demands were not met:
 
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:We talked for an hour in the hallway and ended with me bearing my testimony to the children, pointing to President Hunt and telling them (my children) that I sustained him, pointing to my Bishop and telling them I sustained him.<ref name="FHE">Denver Snuffer, "Last Night's Family Home Evening - Don't call me," from the desk of Denver Snuffer (blog), 9 September 2013, {{antilink|http://denversnuffer.blogspot.ca/2013/09/last-nights-family-home-evening-dont.html}}</ref>
 
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:used their dominion over me to sustain the charges and ratify all that went on before.<ref name="1st pres">Snuffer to First Presidency, Letter (13 September 2013), 2; reproduced in {{CriticalWork:Snuffer:Mesa|pages=42}}</ref>
 
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This is nonsense. Snuffer's behavior was simply further proof that the charges were true&mdash;he was in active apostasy, would not respect the reasonable requests of his priesthood leaders. It had nothing to do with them using "dominion"&mdash;they had so little dominion that they couldn't even compel Snuffer to come into the room if he chose not to. All they could do was ratify what Snuffer had already done&mdash;cut himself off from the Church.
 
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Response to Denver Snuffer's Online Claims: Denver Snuffer's Excommunication



Historical claims
A FAIR Analysis of: Denver Snuffer's Online Claims, a work by author: Denver Snuffer

Response to Denver Snuffer's Online Claims: Denver Snuffer's Excommunication


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"I was and am able to a pass temple recommend interview. I can answer all the questions in the right way"

"I was and am able to a pass temple recommend interview. I can answer all the questions in the right way"

Claims God has told him to preach his ideas

Claims God has told him to preach his ideas

Response to Denver Snuffer's Online Claims regarding his Excommunication: Sustaining Church leaders


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Excommunication is "unrighteous dominion"

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Summary: Snuffer claims his excommunication is "unrighteous dominion"


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