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	==Endnotes==		==Endnotes==
			#{{note\|worstyear1}}Roger Moore, "Top 5 worst movies of 2007," ''Orlando Sentinel'' (28 December 2007). {{link\|url=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/orl-worst200707dec28,0,6597378.story}}
	#{{note\|boxofficemojo}}Retrieved from ''Box Office Mojo'' (''boxofficemojo.com'') on 29 August 2007. {{link\|url=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=septemberdawn.htm}}		#{{note\|boxofficemojo}}Retrieved from ''Box Office Mojo'' (''boxofficemojo.com'') on 29 August 2007. {{link\|url=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=septemberdawn.htm}}
	#{{note\|boxofficemojo2}}Retrieved from ''Box Office Mojo - Weekend Box Office'' (''boxofficemojo.com'') on 08 October 2007. {{link\|url=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=septemberdawn.htm}}		#{{note\|boxofficemojo2}}Retrieved from ''Box Office Mojo - Weekend Box Office'' (''boxofficemojo.com'') on 08 October 2007. {{link\|url=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=septemberdawn.htm}}

GregSmith: /* Response */

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	September Dawn is an ill-informed and poorly-done piece of propaganda.		September Dawn is an ill-informed and poorly-done piece of propaganda. Rating it the ''worst'' film of 2007, movie critic Roger Moore wrote:

			:You don't have to be a Mormon, Mormon sympathizer or adhere to any religious creed to realize, sitting through this, that you're in the presence of evil. A movie about an infamous Mormon massacre that is old-fashioned hate-mongering at its worst. Badly acted, too.{{ref\|worstyear1}}

	It is true that a group of Mormons, under the influence of local leaders, orchestrated a cold-blooded massacre of men, women, and children on 11 September 1857. The film's claim that this behavior was typical of Mormons, insistence that Brigham Young ordered or orchestrated the massacre, and its uncritical reliance on the account of John D. Lee are grave flaws.		It is true that a group of Mormons, under the influence of local leaders, orchestrated a cold-blooded massacre of men, women, and children on 11 September 1857. The film's claim that this behavior was typical of Mormons, insistence that Brigham Young ordered or orchestrated the massacre, and its uncritical reliance on the account of John D. Lee are grave flaws.

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	==Conclusion==		==Conclusion==
	''September Dawn'' is not only bad history, it is an altogether bad film. The creators have used negative stereotypes to create a piece of anti-Mormon propaganda for the big screen. They are so committed to their vision of perfidious Mormons, that they can't accept non-Mormon criticism at face value—they "know" their film can't be bad, so it must be the Mormons' fault. But, neutral non-LDS observers recognize the film for what it is—yesterday's shrill anti-Mormonism on ~~the~~ big screen.		''September Dawn'' is not only bad history, it is an altogether bad film. The creators have used negative stereotypes to create a piece of anti-Mormon propaganda for the big screen. They are so committed to their vision of perfidious Mormons, that they can't accept non-Mormon criticism at face value—they "know" their film can't be bad, so it must be the Mormons' fault. But, neutral non-LDS observers recognize the film for what it is—yesterday's shrill anti-Mormonism on today's big screen.

	==Endnotes==		==Endnotes==

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	* "When watching the screen depiction of a historic event in which 120 people were murdered, giggling is not the appropriate response. But 'September Dawn,' director Christopher Cain's drama set during the Mountain Meadows Massacre, is deserving of derision." - Sean Means, ''Salt Lake Tribune'', (24 August 2007). {{link\|url=http://www.film-finder.com/Review.asp?ID=53495}}		* "When watching the screen depiction of a historic event in which 120 people were murdered, giggling is not the appropriate response. But 'September Dawn,' director Christopher Cain's drama set during the Mountain Meadows Massacre, is deserving of derision." - Sean Means, ''Salt Lake Tribune'', (24 August 2007). {{link\|url=http://www.film-finder.com/Review.asp?ID=53495}}

			* "...the movie leaves no doubt at all — using fierce quotations by Young, but using those words wildly out of context..." - Michael Medved, "Hollywood's Terrorists: Mormon, not Muslim," ''USA Today'' (13 August 2007). {{link\|url=http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/08/hollywoods-terr.html}}

			* "...The measured response to public smears of Mormonism in effect rebuts the ''September Dawn'' suggestion that the church represents a relevant example of violent religious fanaticism. Despite the turbulence of their founding generation, Mormons have been conspicuously peaceful, patriotic, hard-working and neighborly for at least the past 117 years...This sort of prejudice seems not only unjust but also downright un-American...the Mormons' restrained response to even the most mean-spirited challenges to their beliefs says more about the present nature of their faith than anything in ''September Dawn''." - Michael Medved, "Hollywood's Terrorists: Mormon, not Muslim," ''USA Today'' (13 August 2007). {{link\|url=http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/08/hollywoods-terr.html}}

	* "It has the chilling certitude of the self-righteous.... This misguided 9/11 allegory and fictionalization of that history utterly demonizes the perpetrators of that massacre and those who may have given the orders.... Every religion, when scrutinized by a skeptic, is open to mockery. Tune in to South Park if you want satire that ridicules, sect by sect, all comers in the world of religious zealots especially Mormons. But September Dawn isn't mockery. It's practically a call to jihad.... We can probably count the days until this shows up for sale on fringe Christian TV channels, its virtues trumpeted by some minister or other marketing his or her version of 'The Truth.' There are facts here...but there's the unmistakable air of evil about this enterprise, and not just an atrocity the Mormon church caused to happen 150 years ago." - Roger Moore, ''Orlando Sentinel'' (24 August 2007). {{link\|url=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/movies/orl-db-moviereviews-searchresults,0,3279701,results.formprofile?Lib=turbine_cdb_lib%3Aresult_doc_id+result_doc_rank+document_id+cdb_num+cdb_01_txt+cdb_02_txt+cdb_03_txt+cdb_04_txt+cdb_05_txt+cdb_06_txt+c}}		* "It has the chilling certitude of the self-righteous.... This misguided 9/11 allegory and fictionalization of that history utterly demonizes the perpetrators of that massacre and those who may have given the orders.... Every religion, when scrutinized by a skeptic, is open to mockery. Tune in to South Park if you want satire that ridicules, sect by sect, all comers in the world of religious zealots especially Mormons. But September Dawn isn't mockery. It's practically a call to jihad.... We can probably count the days until this shows up for sale on fringe Christian TV channels, its virtues trumpeted by some minister or other marketing his or her version of 'The Truth.' There are facts here...but there's the unmistakable air of evil about this enterprise, and not just an atrocity the Mormon church caused to happen 150 years ago." - Roger Moore, ''Orlando Sentinel'' (24 August 2007). {{link\|url=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/movies/orl-db-moviereviews-searchresults,0,3279701,results.formprofile?Lib=turbine_cdb_lib%3Aresult_doc_id+result_doc_rank+document_id+cdb_num+cdb_01_txt+cdb_02_txt+cdb_03_txt+cdb_04_txt+cdb_05_txt+cdb_06_txt+c}}

PaulAlbers: /* Endnotes */

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	==Endnotes==		==Endnotes==
	#{{note\|boxofficemojo}}Retrieved from ''Box Office Mojo'' (''boxofficemojo.com'') on 29 August 2007. {{link\|url=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=septemberdawn.htm}}		#{{note\|boxofficemojo}}Retrieved from ''Box Office Mojo'' (''boxofficemojo.com'') on 29 August 2007. {{link\|url=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=septemberdawn.htm}}
			#{{note\|boxofficemojo2}}Retrieved from ''Box Office Mojo - Weekend Box Office'' (''boxofficemojo.com'') on 08 October 2007. {{link\|url=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=septemberdawn.htm}}
	#{{note\|pressrelease}}Retrieved from ''Christian Newswire'' (''christiannewswire.com'') on 31 August 2007. {{link\|url=http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/917894036.html}}		#{{note\|pressrelease}}Retrieved from ''Christian Newswire'' (''christiannewswire.com'') on 31 August 2007. {{link\|url=http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/917894036.html}}

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	* "When watching the screen depiction of a historic event in which 120 people were murdered, giggling is not the appropriate response. But 'September Dawn,' director Christopher Cain's drama set during the Mountain Meadows Massacre, is deserving of derision." - Sean Means, ''Salt Lake Tribune'', (24 August 2007). {{link\|url=http://www.film-finder.com/Review.asp?ID=53495}}		* "When watching the screen depiction of a historic event in which 120 people were murdered, giggling is not the appropriate response. But 'September Dawn,' director Christopher Cain's drama set during the Mountain Meadows Massacre, is deserving of derision." - Sean Means, ''Salt Lake Tribune'', (24 August 2007). {{link\|url=http://www.film-finder.com/Review.asp?ID=53495}}

			* "...the movie leaves no doubt at all — using fierce quotations by Young, but using those words wildly out of context..." - Michael Medved, "Hollywood's Terrorists: Mormon, not Muslim," ''USA Today'' (13 August 2007). {{link\|url=http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/08/hollywoods-terr.html}}

			* "...The measured response to public smears of Mormonism in effect rebuts the ''September Dawn'' suggestion that the church represents a relevant example of violent religious fanaticism. Despite the turbulence of their founding generation, Mormons have been conspicuously peaceful, patriotic, hard-working and neighborly for at least the past 117 years...This sort of prejudice seems not only unjust but also downright un-American...the Mormons' restrained response to even the most mean-spirited challenges to their beliefs says more about the present nature of their faith than anything in ''September Dawn''." - Michael Medved, "Hollywood's Terrorists: Mormon, not Muslim," ''USA Today'' (13 August 2007). {{link\|url=http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/08/hollywoods-terr.html}}

	* "It has the chilling certitude of the self-righteous.... This misguided 9/11 allegory and fictionalization of that history utterly demonizes the perpetrators of that massacre and those who may have given the orders.... Every religion, when scrutinized by a skeptic, is open to mockery. Tune in to South Park if you want satire that ridicules, sect by sect, all comers in the world of religious zealots especially Mormons. But September Dawn isn't mockery. It's practically a call to jihad.... We can probably count the days until this shows up for sale on fringe Christian TV channels, its virtues trumpeted by some minister or other marketing his or her version of 'The Truth.' There are facts here...but there's the unmistakable air of evil about this enterprise, and not just an atrocity the Mormon church caused to happen 150 years ago." - Roger Moore, ''Orlando Sentinel'' (24 August 2007). {{link\|url=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/movies/orl-db-moviereviews-searchresults,0,3279701,results.formprofile?Lib=turbine_cdb_lib%3Aresult_doc_id+result_doc_rank+document_id+cdb_num+cdb_01_txt+cdb_02_txt+cdb_03_txt+cdb_04_txt+cdb_05_txt+cdb_06_txt+c}}		* "It has the chilling certitude of the self-righteous.... This misguided 9/11 allegory and fictionalization of that history utterly demonizes the perpetrators of that massacre and those who may have given the orders.... Every religion, when scrutinized by a skeptic, is open to mockery. Tune in to South Park if you want satire that ridicules, sect by sect, all comers in the world of religious zealots especially Mormons. But September Dawn isn't mockery. It's practically a call to jihad.... We can probably count the days until this shows up for sale on fringe Christian TV channels, its virtues trumpeted by some minister or other marketing his or her version of 'The Truth.' There are facts here...but there's the unmistakable air of evil about this enterprise, and not just an atrocity the Mormon church caused to happen 150 years ago." - Roger Moore, ''Orlando Sentinel'' (24 August 2007). {{link\|url=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/movies/orl-db-moviereviews-searchresults,0,3279701,results.formprofile?Lib=turbine_cdb_lib%3Aresult_doc_id+result_doc_rank+document_id+cdb_num+cdb_01_txt+cdb_02_txt+cdb_03_txt+cdb_04_txt+cdb_05_txt+cdb_06_txt+c}}