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	And after he had Covered the place he turned round to take the Book and it was not there and he was astonished that the Book was gone. He thot he would look in the place again and see if it had not got Back again. He had heard people tell of such things.		And after he had Covered the place he turned round to take the Book and it was not there and he was astonished that the Book was gone. He thot he would look in the place again and see if it had not got Back again. He had heard people tell of such things.
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	*{{Harvtxt\|Knight\|1833\|p=2}} (account by Joseph Knight, Sr., a loyal life-long follower who had worked with Smith in treasure expeditions); {{Harvtxt\|Smith\|1853\|p=85}} (account by Smith's mother, saying this occurred on Smith's ''second'' visit to the hill); {{Harvtxt\|Salisbury\|1895\|p=14}} (account of Smith's sister, saying this occurred on Smith's ''third'' visit to the hill, but that it happened prior to their brother Alvin's death, which was in November 1823); {{Harvtxt\|Cowdery\|1835b\|p=197}} (account by Smith's second-in-command Oliver Cowdery, stating that when Smith was looking in the box for other artifacts, he hadn't yet removed the plates).		*{{Harvtxt\|Knight\|1833\|p=2}} (account by Joseph Knight, Sr., a loyal life-long follower who had worked with Smith in treasure expeditions); {{Harvtxt\|Smith\|1853\|p=85}} (account by Smith's mother, saying this occurred on Smith's ''second'' visit to the hill); {{Harvtxt\|Salisbury\|1895\|p=14}} (account of Smith's sister, saying this occurred on Smith's ''third'' visit to the hill, but that it happened prior to their brother Alvin's death, which was in November 1823); {{Harvtxt\|Cowdery\|1835b\|p=197}} (account by Smith's second-in-command Oliver Cowdery, stating that when Smith was looking in the box for other artifacts, he hadn't yet removed the plates).
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	*{{WikipediaCITE\|editor=COgden\|wikipedialink=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Golden_plates&diff=110131455&oldid=110036692}}Joseph Knight's statement regarding "some fancied or imaginary treasure" has been portrayed by the wiki editor as "the other treasures [the box] contained." From Joseph Knight's account:		*{{WikipediaCITE\|editor=COgden\|wikipedialink=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Golden_plates&diff=110131455&oldid=110036692}}Joseph Knight's statement regarding "some fancied or imaginary treasure" has been portrayed by the wiki editor as "the other treasures [the box] contained." From Joseph Knight's account:

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	According to Smith's followers, Smith said he took the plates from the box, put them on the ground, and covered the box with the stone to protect the other treasures it contained.		According to Smith's followers, Smith said he took the plates from the box, put them on the ground, and covered the box with the stone to protect the other treasures it contained.
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	Nevertheless, the accounts say, when Smith looked back at the ground after closing the box, the plates had once again disappeared into it.		Nevertheless, the accounts say, when Smith looked back at the ground after closing the box, the plates had once again disappeared into it.
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	According to two non-believing Palmyra residents, when Smith once again raised the stone and attempted to retrieve the plates, Smith saw something in the box like a toad that grew larger and struck him to the ground.		According to two non-believing Palmyra residents, when Smith once again raised the stone and attempted to retrieve the plates, Smith saw something in the box like a toad that grew larger and struck him to the ground.
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	Although Smith's followers do not mention a toad-like creature, they agree with several non-believers that Smith said he was stricken by a supernatural force that hurled him to the ground as many as three times.		Although Smith's followers do not mention a toad-like creature, they agree with several non-believers that Smith said he was stricken by a supernatural force that hurled him to the ground as many as three times.
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	Disconcerted by his inability to obtain the plates, Smith said he briefly wondered whether his experience had been a "dreem of Vision" [sic].		Disconcerted by his inability to obtain the plates, Smith said he briefly wondered whether his experience had been a "dreem of Vision" [sic].
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	Concluding that it was not, he said he prayed asking why he had been barred from taking the plates.		Concluding that it was not, he said he prayed asking why he had been barred from taking the plates.
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	In response to his question, Smith said the angel appeared and told him he could not receive the plates because he "had been tempted of the advisary (sic) and saught (sic) the Plates to obtain riches and kept not the commandments that I should have".		In response to his question, Smith said the angel appeared and told him he could not receive the plates because he "had been tempted of the advisary (sic) and saught (sic) the Plates to obtain riches and kept not the commandments that I should have".
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	According to Smith's followers, Smith had also broken the angel's commandment "not to lay the plates down, or put them for a moment out of his hands",		According to Smith's followers, Smith had also broken the angel's commandment "not to lay the plates down, or put them for a moment out of his hands",
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	and according to a non-believer, Smith said "I had forgotten to give thanks to God" as required by the angel.		and according to a non-believer, Smith said "I had forgotten to give thanks to God" as required by the angel.
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	Smith said the angel instructed him to return the next year, on September 22, 1824, with the "right person": his older brother Alvin.		Smith said the angel instructed him to return the next year, on September 22, 1824, with the "right person": his older brother Alvin.
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	Alvin died in November 1823, and Smith returned to the hill in 1824 to ask what he should do.		Alvin died in November 1823, and Smith returned to the hill in 1824 to ask what he should do.
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	Smith said he was told to return the following year (1825) with the "right person"—although the angel did not tell Smith who that person might be.		Smith said he was told to return the following year (1825) with the "right person"—although the angel did not tell Smith who that person might be.
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	For the visit on September 22, 1825, Smith may have attempted to bring his treasure-hunting associate Samuel T. Lawrence,		For the visit on September 22, 1825, Smith may have attempted to bring his treasure-hunting associate Samuel T. Lawrence,
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	but eventually, Smith determined after looking into his seer stone that the "right person" was Emma Hale, his future wife.		but eventually, Smith determined after looking into his seer stone that the "right person" was Emma Hale, his future wife.
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	Smith said that he visited the hill "at the end of each year" for four years after the first visit in 1823,		Smith said that he visited the hill "at the end of each year" for four years after the first visit in 1823,
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	but there is no record of him being in the vicinity of Palmyra between January 1826 and January 1827 when he returned to New York from Pennsylvania with his new wife.		but there is no record of him being in the vicinity of Palmyra between January 1826 and January 1827 when he returned to New York from Pennsylvania with his new wife.
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	In January 1827, Smith visited the hill and then told his parents that the angel had severely chastised him for not being "engaged enough in the work of the Lord",		In January 1827, Smith visited the hill and then told his parents that the angel had severely chastised him for not being "engaged enough in the work of the Lord",
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	which may have meant that he had missed his annual visit to the hill in 1826.		which may have meant that he had missed his annual visit to the hill in 1826.

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