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	*Were those who were "less valiant" born as blacks?		*Were those who were "less valiant" born as blacks?
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	*B.H. Roberts, "To the Youth of Israel," ''The Contributor'', vol. 6, 296-297.		*B.H. Roberts, "To the Youth of Israel," ''The Contributor'', vol. 6, 296-297.
	*Bruce McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', p. 527.		*Bruce McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', p. 527.
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	*McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'' p. 109.		*McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'' p. 109.
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	{{information\|The author presumes that Latter-day Saints believe in [[Church doctrine/Statements by Church leaders\|prophetic infallibility]]. They do not.		{{information\|The author presumes that Latter-day Saints believe in [[Church doctrine/Statements by Church leaders\|prophetic infallibility]]. They do not.
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	Joseph Smith said in ''History of the Church'': "Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species..."		Joseph Smith said in ''History of the Church'': "Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species..."
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	#*''History of the Church'', vol. 5, 217-218.		#''History of the Church'', vol. 5, 217-218.
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	{{misinformation\|The author quotes Joseph Smith as saying, ""Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species..." ({{HC1\|vol=5\|num=217-218}}). He apparently wishes to make Joseph appear racist and backward. He does not, however, provide us with the other perspectives which Joseph offered on race issues:		{{misinformation\|The author quotes Joseph Smith as saying, ""Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species..." ({{HC1\|vol=5\|num=217-218}}). He apparently wishes to make Joseph appear racist and backward. He does not, however, provide us with the other perspectives which Joseph offered on race issues:
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	{{propaganda\|The author's hostility and many errors on this and many other points of LDS belief demonstrate that ''he'', at least, is not one of these persons so acquainted.		{{propaganda\|The author's hostility and many errors on this and many other points of LDS belief demonstrate that ''he'', at least, is not one of these persons so acquainted.
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	#*Thelma Geer, ''Mormonism, Mama & Me'', 24-25. This source is an anti-Mormon work published by Thelma "Granny" Geer (second edition in 1980; expanded 4th edition by 1984; 5th edition 1986). Ms. Geer's book cover announces that she has appeared in two films, ''The Cult Explosion'' and [[The God Makers\|''The God Makers'']]. It is not clear why the author, who clearly has pretensions to writing a 'scholarly' work, would use this type of polemic as a secondary source. Anti-Mormon literature is nothing if not self-referential.		#Thelma Geer, ''Mormonism, Mama & Me'', 24-25. This source is an anti-Mormon work published by Thelma "Granny" Geer (second edition in 1980; expanded 4th edition by 1984; 5th edition 1986). Ms. Geer's book cover announces that she has appeared in two films, ''The Cult Explosion'' and [[The God Makers\|''The God Makers'']]. It is not clear why the author, who clearly has pretensions to writing a 'scholarly' work, would use this type of polemic as a secondary source. Anti-Mormon literature is nothing if not self-referential.
	*{{CriticalWork:Ostling:Mormon America\|pages=103-106}}		*{{CriticalWork:Ostling:Mormon America\|pages=103-106}}
	*Thomas Matthews, "Mormon Racism In Perspective."		*Thomas Matthews, "Mormon Racism In Perspective."
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	#*Mark E. Petersen, "Race Problems As They Affect The Church," Address At the Convention of Teachers of Religion On the College Level, delivered at Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, August 27, 1954.		#Mark E. Petersen, "Race Problems As They Affect The Church," Address At the Convention of Teachers of Religion On the College Level, delivered at Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, August 27, 1954.
	*John J. Stewart, ''The Glory of Mormonism'', inside flap book cover and 144.		*John J. Stewart, ''The Glory of Mormonism'', inside flap book cover and 144.
	*Joseph Fielding Smith, ''Doctrines of Salvation'', vol. 1, 61.		*Joseph Fielding Smith, ''Doctrines of Salvation'', vol. 1, 61.
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	#*Orson Hyde, ''Speech of Orson Hyde, Delivered Before the High Priests' Quorum, in Nauvoo, April 27th, 1845, Upon the Course and Conduct of Mr. Sidney Rigdon'', 309.		#Orson Hyde, ''Speech of Orson Hyde, Delivered Before the High Priests' Quorum, in Nauvoo, April 27th, 1845, Upon the Course and Conduct of Mr. Sidney Rigdon'', 309.
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	#*McConkie, 527.		#McConkie, 527.
	*Joseph Fielding Smith, mimeographed letter, July 9, 1963. Quoted in Stewart, ''The Glory of Mormonism'', 154.		*Joseph Fielding Smith, mimeographed letter, July 9, 1963. Quoted in Stewart, ''The Glory of Mormonism'', 154.
	*Lowery Nelson, letter to First Presidency, October 8, 1947. Quoted in Steward, 146.		*Lowery Nelson, letter to First Presidency, October 8, 1947. Quoted in Steward, 146.
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	{{propaganda\|Thelma Geer appeared in the film ''The God Makers''. She and the author do not disclose that these are 'folk beliefs.' {{Abanes:One Nation:Racism Repudiated}} This was true even when Geer wrote in 1980.		{{propaganda\|Thelma Geer appeared in the film ''The God Makers''. She and the author do not disclose that these are 'folk beliefs.' {{Abanes:One Nation:Racism Repudiated}} This was true even when Geer wrote in 1980.
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	#*Geer, ''Mormonism, Mama & Me'', 24-25. The author cites Geer yet again. This source is an anti-Mormon work published by Thelma "Granny" Geer (second edition in 1980; expanded 4th edition by 1984; 5th edition 1986). Ms. Geer's book cover announces that she has appeared in two films, ''The Cult Explosion'' and [[The God Makers\|''The God Makers'']]. It is not clear why the author, who clearly has pretensions to writing a 'scholarly' work, would use this type of polemic as a secondary source. Anti-Mormon literature is nothing if not self-referential.		#Geer, ''Mormonism, Mama & Me'', 24-25. The author cites Geer yet again. This source is an anti-Mormon work published by Thelma "Granny" Geer (second edition in 1980; expanded 4th edition by 1984; 5th edition 1986). Ms. Geer's book cover announces that she has appeared in two films, ''The Cult Explosion'' and [[The God Makers\|''The God Makers'']]. It is not clear why the author, who clearly has pretensions to writing a 'scholarly' work, would use this type of polemic as a secondary source. Anti-Mormon literature is nothing if not self-referential.
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	==Response to claim: 361, 598n28, 31 - Interracial marriage was condemned by Brigham Young as "one of the most heinous of deeds"==		==Response to claim: 361, 598n28, 31 - Interracial marriage was condemned by Brigham Young as "one of the most heinous of deeds"==
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	{{misinformation\|Interracial marriage was illegal in Brigham Young's day. The relationships which he was discussing were ''not'' marriages, and he condemned the white person for exploiting the black.		{{misinformation\|Interracial marriage was illegal in Brigham Young's day. The relationships which he was discussing were ''not'' marriages, and he condemned the white person for exploiting the black.
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	#*''Juvenile Instructor'', vol. 3, 165. Quoted in {{CriticalWork:Tanner:Mormonism Shadow\|pages=266}}.		#''Juvenile Instructor'', vol. 3, 165. Quoted in {{CriticalWork:Tanner:Mormonism Shadow\|pages=266}}.
	*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=25\|vol=10\|start=110}}		*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=25\|vol=10\|start=110}}
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	{{propaganda\|Latter-day Saints were of more than one opinion about the Civil Rights movement. Even the leadership did not all agree; some supported the movement, and others worried that it was a front for interests hostile to American liberties. Unlike many Protestant denominations, however, Latter-day Saints did not have segregated congregations, or address racist groups like the Klu Klux Klan.		{{propaganda\|Latter-day Saints were of more than one opinion about the Civil Rights movement. Even the leadership did not all agree; some supported the movement, and others worried that it was a front for interests hostile to American liberties. Unlike many Protestant denominations, however, Latter-day Saints did not have segregated congregations, or address racist groups like the Klu Klux Klan.
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	#*Wallace Turner, ''The Mormon Establishment'', 229		#Wallace Turner, ''The Mormon Establishment'', 229
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	*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}}		*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}}
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	#*Robert Gottlieb and Peter Wiley, ''American Saints: The Rise of Mormon Power'', 179-180.		#Robert Gottlieb and Peter Wiley, ''American Saints: The Rise of Mormon Power'', 179-180.
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	#*Declaration 2, released to ''Deseret News'', June 9, 1978, page 1A.		#Declaration 2, released to ''Deseret News'', June 9, 1978, page 1A.
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	*[[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Repudiated_ideas#Is_interracial_marriage_condemned.3F\|Inter-racial marriage a sin?]]		*[[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Repudiated_ideas#Is_interracial_marriage_condemned.3F\|Inter-racial marriage a sin?]]
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	* Such teachings have been [[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Understanding_pre-1978_statements#Avoid_speculating_without_knowledge\|repudiated]]. Revelation has [[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Understanding_pre-1978_statements#Understanding_pre-1978_statements\|clarified]] false or incomplete former beliefs.		* Such teachings have been [[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Understanding_pre-1978_statements#Avoid_speculating_without_knowledge\|repudiated]]. Revelation has [[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Understanding_pre-1978_statements#Understanding_pre-1978_statements\|clarified]] false or incomplete former beliefs.
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	Did LDS leaders instruct a missionary to "not to work with the poor and to tell blacks that they should attend the church of their choice, but not the Mormon church?"		Did LDS leaders instruct a missionary to "not to work with the poor and to tell blacks that they should attend the church of their choice, but not the Mormon church?"
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	*Declaration 2, released to ''Deseret News'', June 9, 1978, page 1A.		*Declaration 2, released to ''Deseret News'', June 9, 1978, page 1A.
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	*The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If God has removed the curse that at one time kept Blacks from the priesthood, then why has he not removed the marks of that curse..."		\|claim=The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If God has removed the curse that at one time kept Blacks from the priesthood, then why has he not removed the marks of that curse..."
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	*The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If some spirits continue to be cursed with black skin because of their unrighteous behavior in the pre-mortal world, then why does that same unrighteous behavior now no longer disqualify them from the priesthood?"		\|claim=The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If some spirits continue to be cursed with black skin because of their unrighteous behavior in the pre-mortal world, then why does that same unrighteous behavior now no longer disqualify them from the priesthood?"
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	*The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If black skin is no longer a sign of a special curse, then does that mean white skin is no longer a sign of a special blessing?"		\|claim=The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If black skin is no longer a sign of a special curse, then does that mean white skin is no longer a sign of a special blessing?"
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	*The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If a racially mixed couple conceived a child before June 9, 1978, and in so doing sinned by mixing a cursed seed (Black) with an un-cursed seed (White), then after June 9, 1978, were they still guilty of the sin of race-mixing since Blacks were no longer cursed from the priesthood?"		\|claim=The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If a racially mixed couple conceived a child before June 9, 1978, and in so doing sinned by mixing a cursed seed (Black) with an un-cursed seed (White), then after June 9, 1978, were they still guilty of the sin of race-mixing since Blacks were no longer cursed from the priesthood?"
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	* {{SourceDistortion}}: [[Brigham Young/Race mixing punishable by death\|Brigham Young on race mixing]], as mentioned in the entry on p. 361, Brigham Young's remarks were not made in a context of 'marriage,' but in one of sexual exploitation.		* {{SourceDistortion}}: [[Brigham Young/Race mixing punishable by death\|Brigham Young on race mixing]], as mentioned in the entry on p. 361, Brigham Young's remarks were not made in a context of 'marriage,' but in one of sexual exploitation.

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