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	\|claim=The author refers to a talisman that Joseph "is said to have worn while digging."		\|claim=The author refers to a talisman that Joseph "is said to have worn while digging."
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	\|claim={{AuthorQuote\|"When Emma's mother, Elizabeth Hale, was asked about this [the purported seduction of Eliza Winters] in an interview forty-six years later, she declined to comment. Whatever she might have known went with her to the grave in February 1842…."}}		\|claim={{AuthorQuote\|"When Emma's mother, Elizabeth Hale, was asked about this [the purported seduction of Eliza Winters] in an interview forty-six years later, she declined to comment. Whatever she might have known went with her to the grave in February 1842…."}}
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	#Vogel, ''Early Mormon Documents'' 4:296–97, 346–60; see also Frederick G. Mather, "The Early Mormons: Joe Smith Operates at Susquehanna," ''Binghamton Republican'' (29 July 188).		#Vogel, ''Early Mormon Documents'' 4:296–97, 346–60; see also Frederick G. Mather, "The Early Mormons: Joe Smith Operates at Susquehanna," ''Binghamton Republican'' (29 July 188).
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	The author notes that Todd Compton "has assembled the most complete documentation regarding Joseph and Fanny's relationship. However, I hesitate to concur with Compton's interpretation of their relationship as a marriage."		The author notes that Todd Compton "has assembled the most complete documentation regarding Joseph and Fanny's relationship. However, I hesitate to concur with Compton's interpretation of their relationship as a marriage."
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	\|claim=It is noted that William McLellin sometimes claims there was also a "Miss Hill" involved with Joseph.		\|claim=It is noted that William McLellin sometimes claims there was also a "Miss Hill" involved with Joseph.
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	\|claim=The author claims that D&C 132 "contravenes the Book of Mormon passage where polygamy is said to be allowed under certain conditions but is likely an indication of wickedness…." "However, Smith's 1843 revelation changes all this. Section 132 establishes polygamy as a virtuous higher law that is forever 'true'—no longer a time-sensitive practice."		\|claim=The author claims that D&C 132 "contravenes the Book of Mormon passage where polygamy is said to be allowed under certain conditions but is likely an indication of wickedness…." "However, Smith's 1843 revelation changes all this. Section 132 establishes polygamy as a virtuous higher law that is forever 'true'—no longer a time-sensitive practice."
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	==Response to claim: 28 - "Joseph's personal charisma was working its effect where he needed to rely on others for help"==		==Response to claim: 28 - "Joseph's personal charisma was working its effect where he needed to rely on others for help"==
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	==Response to claim: 30 - The author notes that "In most cases, the women were adolescents or in their twenties when he met them. About ten were pre-teens, others already thirty or above"==		==Response to claim: 30 - The author notes that "In most cases, the women were adolescents or in their twenties when he met them. About ten were pre-teens, others already thirty or above"==
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	==Response to claim: 33 - "probably by 1842," Lucinda Harris "became one more of the prophet's plural wives"==		==Response to claim: 33 - "probably by 1842," Lucinda Harris "became one more of the prophet's plural wives"==
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	*It is noted that Lucinda and George Harris lived across the street from the Smith family, and that "at an unspecified time, but probably by 1842, Lucinda became one more of the prophet's plural wives."		*It is noted that Lucinda and George Harris lived across the street from the Smith family, and that "at an unspecified time, but probably by 1842, Lucinda became one more of the prophet's plural wives."

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