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	"Although wives continued to live with their husbands, they would receive conjugal visits from Smith whenever the need arose."		"Although wives continued to live with their husbands, they would receive conjugal visits from Smith whenever the need arose."
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	*Lee, ''Confessions of John D. Lee'', p. 165		*Lee, ''Confessions of John D. Lee'', p. 165
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	"Early Mormon leaders" believed that Jesus and his apostles were polygamists.		"Early Mormon leaders" believed that Jesus and his apostles were polygamists.
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	The Book of Mormon "seems to condemn polygamy," but Latter-day Saints "deny that this is the case."		The Book of Mormon "seems to condemn polygamy," but Latter-day Saints "deny that this is the case."
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	"...nowhere in the Old Testament is polygamy linked with any mandates to practice it."		"...nowhere in the Old Testament is polygamy linked with any mandates to practice it."
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	{{disinformation\|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yibbum Levirate marriage] was mandated by the law of Moses ({{b\|\|Deuteronomy\|25\|5-6}}). Even if true, this claim is immaterial. God did not condemn the practice of plural marriage in the Bible. If it was everywhere and always forbidden, God could and would have done so. [[Early_Christians_on_plural_marriage\|Early Christian]] authors understood this.		{{disinformation\|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yibbum Levirate marriage] was mandated by the law of Moses ({{b\|\|Deuteronomy\|25\|5-6}}). Even if true, this claim is immaterial. God did not condemn the practice of plural marriage in the Bible. If it was everywhere and always forbidden, God could and would have done so. [[Early_Christians_on_plural_marriage\|Early Christian]] authors understood this.

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	In Mormon theology, "creating" includes not only making a world, but peopling it through procreating, through sexual union with one's spouse.		In Mormon theology, "creating" includes not only making a world, but peopling it through procreating, through sexual union with one's spouse.
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	{{Dialogue1\|author=Melodie Moench Charles\|article=The Need for a New Mormon Heaven\|date=Fall 1988\|vol=21\|num=3\|start=77-78}} The reference to "sexual union" comes from Melodie Moench Charles, who is not representative of orthodox LDS teaching.		{{Dialogue1\|author=Melodie Moench Charles\|article=The Need for a New Mormon Heaven\|date=Fall 1988\|vol=21\|num=3\|start=77-78}} The reference to "sexual union" comes from Melodie Moench Charles, who is not representative of orthodox LDS teaching.
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	The statement in the 1835 D&C condemning polygamy was "perhaps in an attempt to conceal Smith's affair."		The statement in the 1835 D&C condemning polygamy was "perhaps in an attempt to conceal Smith's affair."
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	D&C CI:4 (1835 edition), p. 251.		#D&C CI:4 (1835 edition), p. 251.
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	{{propaganda\|This is the author's fantasy.		{{propaganda\|This is the author's fantasy.
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	Mormons believed that plural marriage was necessary for deification in the Celestial Kingdom.		Mormons believed that plural marriage was necessary for deification in the Celestial Kingdom.
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	J.W. Musser, "The New And Everlasting Covenant Of Marriage: An Interpretation Of Celestial Marriage, Plural Marriage, Polygamy."		#J.W. Musser, "The New And Everlasting Covenant Of Marriage: An Interpretation Of Celestial Marriage, Plural Marriage, Polygamy."
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	{{information\|It is true the 19th-century Mormons believed this. This does not mean that present members of the Church believe that the principle of plural marriage is false—rather, they believe that it is a principle only to be practiced when the Lord commands it for His purposes.		{{information\|It is true the 19th-century Mormons believed this. This does not mean that present members of the Church believe that the principle of plural marriage is false—rather, they believe that it is a principle only to be practiced when the Lord commands it for His purposes.
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	Brigham Young said, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy."		Brigham Young said, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy."
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	Brigham Young, ''Journal of Discourses'' 11:268-269		#Brigham Young, ''Journal of Discourses'' 11:268-269
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	{{misinformation\|If you read the entire passage from which this quote is taken, you will see that Brigham is also acknowledging those who do not actually practice plural marriage. Critics of the Church, however, only extract this single phrase.		{{misinformation\|If you read the entire passage from which this quote is taken, you will see that Brigham is also acknowledging those who do not actually practice plural marriage. Critics of the Church, however, only extract this single phrase.
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	*{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy\|pages=62}}		*{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy\|pages=62}}
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	Zina Huntington married Brigham Young while still married to Henry Jacobs, and Henry stood as a witness.		Zina Huntington married Brigham Young while still married to Henry Jacobs, and Henry stood as a witness.
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	{{CriticalWork:Compton:Sacred Loneliness\|pages=20, 48-49}}		#{{CriticalWork:Compton:Sacred Loneliness\|pages=20, 48-49}}
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	{{misinformation\|Zina and Henry had ended their marriage before she was married to Brigham Young.		{{misinformation\|Zina and Henry had ended their marriage before she was married to Brigham Young.
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	*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Jedediah Grant\|disc=2\|vol=2\|start=14}}		*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Jedediah Grant\|disc=2\|vol=2\|start=14}}
	*Lee, ''Confessions of John D. Lee'', p. 165		*Lee, ''Confessions of John D. Lee'', p. 165
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	The Bible does not sanction or command polygamy. "Most Israelites were monogamous." Abraham's polygamy "portrays his acceptance of plural marriage as a mark of disobedience to, and a lack of faith in, God."		The Bible does not sanction or command polygamy. "Most Israelites were monogamous." Abraham's polygamy "portrays his acceptance of plural marriage as a mark of disobedience to, and a lack of faith in, God."
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	Author's interpretation.		#Author's interpretation.
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	{{propaganda\|This claim is simply nonsense.		{{propaganda\|This claim is simply nonsense.
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	The Book of Mormon "seems to condemn polygamy," but Latter-day Saints "deny that this is the case."		The Book of Mormon "seems to condemn polygamy," but Latter-day Saints "deny that this is the case."
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	How could Jesus have been a god before he was born, before he had a physical body?		How could Jesus have been a god before he was born, before he had a physical body?
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	{{misinformation\|Critics ignore that the gospel teaches us what we must do to fulfill God's commandments and purposes. It does not spend much time telling us what Jesus was required to do—clearly, he had many duties and abilities which far outstripped ours.		{{misinformation\|Critics ignore that the gospel teaches us what we must do to fulfill God's commandments and purposes. It does not spend much time telling us what Jesus was required to do—clearly, he had many duties and abilities which far outstripped ours.
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	How could the Holy Ghost be a god, since he does not have a physical body?		How could the Holy Ghost be a god, since he does not have a physical body?
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	No source given		#No source given
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	{{misinformation\|Jehovah, the premortal Jesus Christ, was part of the Godhead before his mortal birth. Why not the Holy Ghost?		{{misinformation\|Jehovah, the premortal Jesus Christ, was part of the Godhead before his mortal birth. Why not the Holy Ghost?
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	Plural marriages were performed after the 1890 Manifesto.		Plural marriages were performed after the 1890 Manifesto.
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	1911 telegram to Reed Smoot from Joseph F. Smith, Apr. 1, 1911.		#1911 telegram to Reed Smoot from Joseph F. Smith, Apr. 1, 1911.
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	{{information\|This is correct.		{{information\|This is correct.

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