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	There is no mention of a declaration of "his own death and resurrection" anywhere in the chapter. Brigham is reporting a vision or spiritual experience with the deceased Joseph and Hyrum. At most, one might call it an "out of body experience"—Brigham is not claiming to have been "resurrected" in any sense used by Latter-day Saints.		There is no mention of a declaration of "his own death and resurrection" anywhere in the chapter. Brigham is reporting a vision or spiritual experience with the deceased Joseph and Hyrum. At most, one might call it an "out of body experience"—Brigham is not claiming to have been "resurrected" in any sense used by Latter-day Saints.
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	*{{CrossRef:Abanes:One Nation\|chapter=5\|pages=89, 518n49}}		*{{CrossRef:Abanes:One Nation\|chapter=5\|pages=89, 518n49}}
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	It should be noted that there is no use of the words "intercept" or "consecrate it" anywhere in the chapter.		It should be noted that there is no use of the words "intercept" or "consecrate it" anywhere in the chapter.
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	There is no mention of a declaration of "his own death and resurrection" anywhere in the chapter. Brigham is reporting a vision or spiritual experience with the deceased Joseph and Hyrum. At most, one might call it an "out of body experience"—Brigham is not claiming to have been "resurrected" in any sense used by Latter-day Saints.		There is no mention of a declaration of "his own death and resurrection" anywhere in the chapter. Brigham is reporting a vision or spiritual experience with the deceased Joseph and Hyrum. At most, one might call it an "out of body experience"—Brigham is not claiming to have been "resurrected" in any sense used by Latter-day Saints.
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	{{disinformation\|This claim is absurd: no LDS leader is thought of as "a deity." Brigham certainly was aware of his own shortcomings.		{{disinformation\|This claim is absurd: no LDS leader is thought of as "a deity." Brigham certainly was aware of his own shortcomings.
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	* See: [[Blood_of_the_Prophets:_Brigham_Young_and_the_Massacre_at_Mountain_Meadows/Omissions/Total_submission_to_Brigham_Young#Brigham.27s_statements\|Brigham Young on his own fallibility]]		* See: [[Blood_of_the_Prophets:_Brigham_Young_and_the_Massacre_at_Mountain_Meadows/Omissions/Total_submission_to_Brigham_Young#Brigham.27s_statements\|Brigham Young on his own fallibility]]
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