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	\|claim={{AuthorQuote\|Having suffered beatings and tarrings at the hands of Mormon baiters years earlier, and having faced impending death at various junctures, Smith sensed rightly that events in Nauvoo would be the grand finale of his life.}}		\|claim={{AuthorQuote\|Having suffered beatings and tarrings at the hands of Mormon baiters years earlier, and having faced impending death at various junctures, Smith sensed rightly that events in Nauvoo would be the grand finale of his life.}}
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	{{propaganda\|The author [[~~American_Massacre~~#4\|earlier]] characterized Joseph's persecutions as "imaginary". Now, they seem to have been real. She also seems to be able to read Joseph's mind.		{{propaganda\|The author [[American Massacre#4\|earlier]] characterized Joseph's persecutions as "imaginary". Now, they seem to have been real. She also seems to be able to read Joseph's mind.
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	{{misinformation\|The author contradicts herself: She earlier stated that these things were introduced in Kirtland. On page 14, speaking of Kirtland, the author states: "He then initiated the secret rituals that would further repel their conventional Christian neighbors-anointings, endowments, proxy baptisms, visions, healings, writhing ecstasies, and, especially, the concepts of 'eternal progression' and 'celestial marriage.'"		{{misinformation\|The author contradicts herself: She earlier stated that these things were introduced in Kirtland. On page 14, speaking of Kirtland, the author states: "He then initiated the secret rituals that would further repel their conventional Christian neighbors-anointings, endowments, proxy baptisms, visions, healings, writhing ecstasies, and, especially, the concepts of 'eternal progression' and 'celestial marriage.'"

	Proxy baptisms were not introduced until Nauvoo, they were not known at Kirtland. Healings and visions were present from the Church's very beginnings. "Writhing ecstasies" were condemned by LDS scripture by 1831 (see {{s\|\|DC\|50\|}}).		Proxy baptisms were not introduced until Nauvoo, they were not known at Kirtland. Healings and visions were present from the Church's very beginnings. "Writhing ecstasies" were condemned by LDS scripture by 1831 (see {{s\|\|D&C\|50\|}}).
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	{{misinformation\|Bagley is not a "Mormon historian"—his account is invariably hostile to LDS leaders and truth claims.		{{misinformation\|Bagley is not a "Mormon historian"—his account is invariably hostile to LDS leaders and truth claims.
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	*{{CriticalWork:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets\|pages=7}}		*{{CriticalWork:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets\|pages=7}}
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	{{propaganda\|This is simply hype on the part of the author.		{{propaganda\|This is simply hype on the part of the author.
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	{{misinformation\|This is very sloppy research. Despite citing so many sources, the author gets the history wrong. There is no record of Joseph saying more than "Oh Lord, my God." In addition, the author states that Joseph gave the Masonic distress signal ''before'' calling out this phrase. In reality, the full phrase "Oh Lord my God. Is there no help for the widow's son" ''is'' the Masonic distress signal!		{{misinformation\|This is very sloppy research. Despite citing so many sources, the author gets the history wrong. There is no record of Joseph saying more than "Oh Lord, my God." In addition, the author states that Joseph gave the Masonic distress signal ''before'' calling out this phrase. In reality, the full phrase "Oh Lord my God. Is there no help for the widow's son" ''is'' the Masonic distress signal!
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	*{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows\|pages=}}		*{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows\|pages=}}
	*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy\|pages=}}		*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy\|pages=}}

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	{{propaganda\|The plural marriages were unusual, to say the least; the younger ages of the brides were much less so.		{{propaganda\|The plural marriages were unusual, to say the least; the younger ages of the brides were much less so.
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	{{disinformation\|This is nonsense.		{{disinformation\|This is nonsense.
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	#*Eliza Snow, ''Times and Seasons'' 5 (July 1, 1844), quoted in Hallwas and Launius, 237.		#Eliza Snow, ''Times and Seasons'' 5 (July 1, 1844), quoted in Hallwas and Launius, 237.
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	{{:Question: Do Mormons believe that Joseph Smith must approve whether or not they get into heaven?}}		{{:Question: Do Mormons believe that Joseph Smith must approve whether or not they get into heaven?}}
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	\|claim=Allen J. Stout's journal says that he will avenge Joseph's blood to the fourth generation.		\|claim=Allen J. Stout's journal says that he will avenge Joseph's blood to the fourth generation.
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	#*Stout journal, June 28, 1844.		#Stout journal, June 28, 1844.
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	\|claim=Joseph's "falling out" with John C. Bennett is claimed to have been over a woman that "each desired as a plural wife."		\|claim=Joseph's "falling out" with John C. Bennett is claimed to have been over a woman that "each desired as a plural wife."
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	* In fact, Bennett was given multiple opportunities to reform his ways before being excommunicated.		* In fact, Bennett was given multiple opportunities to reform his ways before being excommunicated.
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	\|claim=Joseph sent orders to the Nauvoo Legion from Carthage Jail to come and free him.		\|claim=Joseph sent orders to the Nauvoo Legion from Carthage Jail to come and free him.
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			No source cited, but it is probably Brodie. See {{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows\|pages=392}}.
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	{{disinformation\|This claim is false. The evidence indicates that Joseph ordered the Nauvoo Legion to stay in Nauvoo.		{{disinformation\|This claim is false. The evidence indicates that Joseph ordered the Nauvoo Legion to stay in Nauvoo.
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	~~No source cited, but it is probably Brodie. See {{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows\|pages=392}}.~~
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	{{misinformation\|Bagley is not a "Mormon historian"—his account is invariably hostile to LDS leaders and truth claims.		{{misinformation\|Bagley is not a "Mormon historian"—his account is invariably hostile to LDS leaders and truth claims.
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	*{{CriticalWork:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets\|pages=7}}		*{{CriticalWork:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets\|pages=7}}
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	{{propaganda\|This is simply hype on the part of the author.		{{propaganda\|This is simply hype on the part of the author.
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	{{misinformation\|This is very sloppy research. Despite citing so many sources, the author gets the history wrong. There is no record of Joseph saying more than "Oh Lord, my God." In addition, the author states that Joseph gave the Masonic distress signal ''before'' calling out this phrase. In reality, the full phrase "Oh Lord my God. Is there no help for the widow's son" ''is'' the Masonic distress signal!		{{misinformation\|This is very sloppy research. Despite citing so many sources, the author gets the history wrong. There is no record of Joseph saying more than "Oh Lord, my God." In addition, the author states that Joseph gave the Masonic distress signal ''before'' calling out this phrase. In reality, the full phrase "Oh Lord my God. Is there no help for the widow's son" ''is'' the Masonic distress signal!
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	~~#<br>~~
	*{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows\|pages=}}		*{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows\|pages=}}
	*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy\|pages=}}		*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy\|pages=}}