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	The author states that "any man who defied Young's orders would be put to death was made evident in his statement 'When the time comes to burn and lay waste our improvements, if any man undertakes to shield his, he will be sheared down.'"		The author states that "any man who defied Young's orders would be put to death was made evident in his statement 'When the time comes to burn and lay waste our improvements, if any man undertakes to shield his, he will be sheared down.'"
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	* Young quoted in Waite, 50.		* Young quoted in Waite, 50.
	*See {{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=38\|vol=5\|start=232\|date=13 Sept 1857}}		*See {{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=38\|vol=5\|start=232\|date=13 Sept 1857}}
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	Brigham is claimed to have told Chief Walker's successor Arapeen to "help himself to what he wanted" of the "spoils of the slaughter."		Brigham is claimed to have told Chief Walker's successor Arapeen to "help himself to what he wanted" of the "spoils of the slaughter."
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	*''Dimick B. Huntington Journal'', September 20, 1857.		*''Dimick B. Huntington Journal'', September 20, 1857.
	*{{CrossRef:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets\|pages=170a}}		*{{CrossRef:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets\|pages=170a}}

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	#*Brigham Young proclamation, alternately dated August 5 and September 15, 1857, original copies located in Special Collections, Marriott University Library, University of Utah. Reprinted in Fielding, ''Unsolicted Chronicler'', 395;		#Brigham Young proclamation, alternately dated August 5 and September 15, 1857, original copies located in Special Collections, Marriott University Library, University of Utah. Reprinted in Fielding, ''Unsolicted Chronicler'', 395;
	*{{CriticalWork:Stenhouse:Rocky Mountain Saints\|pages=358-59}}		*{{CriticalWork:Stenhouse:Rocky Mountain Saints\|pages=358-59}}
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	#*Gibbs, ''Mountain Meadows Massacre'', 11.		#Gibbs, ''Mountain Meadows Massacre'', 11.
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	#*George A. Smith report in Juanita Brooks, ''The Mountain Meadows Massacre'', p. 242.		#George A. Smith report in Juanita Brooks, ''The Mountain Meadows Massacre'', p. 242.
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	The author claims that during meetings with U.S. Army Quartermaster Captain Stewart Van Vliet, Brigham Young had "seen to it that Van Vliet heard nothing of Mountain Meadows," and that the "Mormon leaders worried that if van Vliet relayed news of the situation to Johnston, an invasion of Utah Territory would be expedited."		The author claims that during meetings with U.S. Army Quartermaster Captain Stewart Van Vliet, Brigham Young had "seen to it that Van Vliet heard nothing of Mountain Meadows," and that the "Mormon leaders worried that if van Vliet relayed news of the situation to Johnston, an invasion of Utah Territory would be expedited."
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	No source provided for this particular claim, although the following citation is Van Vliet quoted in {{CriticalWork:Stenhouse:Rocky Mountain Saints\|pages=357}}		#No source provided for this particular claim, although the following citation is Van Vliet quoted in {{CriticalWork:Stenhouse:Rocky Mountain Saints\|pages=357}}
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	{{misinformation\|It was virtually impossible for anyone in Salt Lake to have heard of the Massacre (which happened on 11 September) by the time Van Vliet left on 14 Sept, or last met with Brigham Young on 13 Sept.		{{misinformation\|It was virtually impossible for anyone in Salt Lake to have heard of the Massacre (which happened on 11 September) by the time Van Vliet left on 14 Sept, or last met with Brigham Young on 13 Sept.
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	The author claims that Brigham did not preach the sermon at the church meeting attended by Van Vliet because he was "too furious to conduct the service."		The author claims that Brigham did not preach the sermon at the church meeting attended by Van Vliet because he was "too furious to conduct the service."
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	No source provided. Likely Stenhouse.		#No source provided. Likely Stenhouse.
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	{{disinformation\|Brigham actually ''did'' preach two sermons that day (13 September 1857).		{{disinformation\|Brigham actually ''did'' preach two sermons that day (13 September 1857).
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	The author claims that Brigham made an "oblique but unrecognized reference to the massacre at Mountain Meadows" to Van Vliet when he said "if the government dare to force the issue, I shall not hold the Indians by the wrist any longer...you may tell the government to stop all emigration across the continent, for the Indians will kill all who attempt it."		The author claims that Brigham made an "oblique but unrecognized reference to the massacre at Mountain Meadows" to Van Vliet when he said "if the government dare to force the issue, I shall not hold the Indians by the wrist any longer...you may tell the government to stop all emigration across the continent, for the Indians will kill all who attempt it."
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	Bancroft, 505.		#Bancroft, 505.
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	{{disinformation\|The author just said earlier that Brigham had "seen to it that Van Vliet heard nothing of Mountain Meadows." Now she's saying that Brigham made an "oblique but unrecognized reference" to it!		{{disinformation\|The author just said earlier that Brigham had "seen to it that Van Vliet heard nothing of Mountain Meadows." Now she's saying that Brigham made an "oblique but unrecognized reference" to it!
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	*Brigham Young proclamation, alternately dated August 5 and September 15, 1857, original copies located in Special Collections, Marriott University Library, University of Utah. Reprinted in Fielding, ''Unsolicted Chronicler'', 395;		#*Brigham Young proclamation, alternately dated August 5 and September 15, 1857, original copies located in Special Collections, Marriott University Library, University of Utah. Reprinted in Fielding, ''Unsolicted Chronicler'', 395;
	*{{CriticalWork:Stenhouse:Rocky Mountain Saints\|pages=358-59}}		*{{CriticalWork:Stenhouse:Rocky Mountain Saints\|pages=358-59}}
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	The author states that "any man who defied Young's orders would be put to death was made evident in his statement 'When the time comes to burn and lay waste our improvements, if any man undertakes to shield his, he will be sheared down.'"		The author states that "any man who defied Young's orders would be put to death was made evident in his statement 'When the time comes to burn and lay waste our improvements, if any man undertakes to shield his, he will be sheared down.'"
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	* Young quoted in Waite, 50.		* Young quoted in Waite, 50.
	*See {{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=38\|vol=5\|start=232\|date=13 Sept 1857}}		*See {{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|disc=38\|vol=5\|start=232\|date=13 Sept 1857}}
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	*Gibbs, ''Mountain Meadows Massacre'', 11.		#*Gibbs, ''Mountain Meadows Massacre'', 11.
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	The author claims that "droves of Saints leaving California for Utah" and "a matching number leaving Utah of a crisis of conscience spurred by the events of Mountain Meadows" were "doomed to pass over the site of the slaughter."		The author claims that "droves of Saints leaving California for Utah" and "a matching number leaving Utah of a crisis of conscience spurred by the events of Mountain Meadows" were "doomed to pass over the site of the slaughter."
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	No source provided.		#No source provided.
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	{{propaganda\|The author needs to provide some evidence for this supposed "crisis of conscience."		{{propaganda\|The author needs to provide some evidence for this supposed "crisis of conscience."
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	Ann Eliza Young claims that she "knew instinctively, as did many others, that something was being hidden from the mass of the people."		Ann Eliza Young claims that she "knew instinctively, as did many others, that something was being hidden from the mass of the people."
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	{{CriticalWork:Young:Wife No. 19\|pages=229}}		#{{CriticalWork:Young:Wife No. 19\|pages=229}}
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	{{propaganda\|So now, Ann Eliza's intuitions are serving as evidence. Ann Eliza was writing later in life as an anti-Mormon lecturer, and used all the anti-Mormon tropes.		{{propaganda\|So now, Ann Eliza's intuitions are serving as evidence. Ann Eliza was writing later in life as an anti-Mormon lecturer, and used all the anti-Mormon tropes.
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	It is claimed that Brigham Young instructed John D. Lee to write a letter laying the blame for the massacre on the Indians.		It is claimed that Brigham Young instructed John D. Lee to write a letter laying the blame for the massacre on the Indians.
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	No source provided.		#No source provided.
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	{{misinformation\|As noted on the notes for [[American Massacre/Index#142\|p. 142]], local leaders had planned to blame the Indians long before Brigham Young even knew of their intentions, or instructed them to leave the immigrants alone.		{{misinformation\|As noted on the notes for [[American Massacre/Index#142\|p. 142]], local leaders had planned to blame the Indians long before Brigham Young even knew of their intentions, or instructed them to leave the immigrants alone.
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	*''Dimick B. Huntington Journal'', September 20, 1857.		*''Dimick B. Huntington Journal'', September 20, 1857.
	*{{CrossRef:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets\|pages=170a}}		*{{CrossRef:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets\|pages=170a}}
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	Colonel Thomas Kane is portrayed as arrogant, effeminate, a hypochondriac, and with delusions of fame.		Colonel Thomas Kane is portrayed as arrogant, effeminate, a hypochondriac, and with delusions of fame.
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	{{CrossRef:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets\|pages=198}}		#{{CrossRef:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets\|pages=198}}
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	{{propaganda\|The author seems to rely heavily on Bagley's treatment here.		{{propaganda\|The author seems to rely heavily on Bagley's treatment here.
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	Prior to the massacre, George A. Smith is claimed to "have carried orders to Cedar City leaders to incite their people to avenge the blood of the prophets."		Prior to the massacre, George A. Smith is claimed to "have carried orders to Cedar City leaders to incite their people to avenge the blood of the prophets."
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	No source provided. (Likely Bagley)		#No source provided. (Likely Bagley)
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	{{disinformation\|There is no evidence to support this claim.		{{disinformation\|There is no evidence to support this claim.
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	George A. Smith was "sent south not to learn the truth, but to devise an explanation for church leaders could provide to external enemies..."		George A. Smith was "sent south not to learn the truth, but to devise an explanation for church leaders could provide to external enemies..."
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	{{CriticalWork:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets\|pages=212}}		#{{CriticalWork:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets\|pages=212}}
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	{{propaganda\|This is simply speculation on the part of the author and her source.		{{propaganda\|This is simply speculation on the part of the author and her source.
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	*George A. Smith report in Juanita Brooks, ''The Mountain Meadows Massacre'', p. 242.		#*George A. Smith report in Juanita Brooks, ''The Mountain Meadows Massacre'', p. 242.
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