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	Mormons teach in D&C 14:7 and elsewhere that to receive eternal life one must not sin in any way or at least permanently stop sinning.		Mormons teach in D&C 14:7 and elsewhere that to receive eternal life one must not sin in any way or at least permanently stop sinning.
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	{{disinformation\|This claim is false. One must make and keep covenants. As Elder Bruce R. McConkie taught, "who is striving and struggling and desiring to do what is right, though ''far from perfect in this life''; if he passes out of this life while he’s on the straight and narrow, he’s going to go on to eternal reward in his Father’s kingdom. We don’t need to get a complex or ''get a feeling that you have to be perfect'' to be saved" (emphasis added).		{{disinformation\|This claim is false. One must make and keep covenants. As Elder Bruce R. McConkie taught, "who is striving and struggling and desiring to do what is right, though ''far from perfect in this life''; if he passes out of this life while he’s on the straight and narrow, he’s going to go on to eternal reward in his Father’s kingdom. We don’t need to get a complex or ''get a feeling that you have to be perfect'' to be saved" (emphasis added).
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	{{disinformation\|This is false, as demonstrated above. There are ample examples in LDS scripture of sinful individuals qualifying for God's grace despite failing to do many things (e.g., {{s\|\|Alma\|36\|\|}}). In the Doctrine and Covenants, the Lord says:		{{disinformation\|This is false, as demonstrated above. There are ample examples in LDS scripture of sinful individuals qualifying for God's grace despite failing to do many things (e.g., {{s\|\|Alma\|36\|\|}}). In the Doctrine and Covenants, the Lord says:
	:: ...ye are blessed, not because of your iniquity, neither your hearts of unbelief; for verily some of you are guilty before me, but I will be merciful unto your weakness. Therefore, be ye strong from henceforth; fear not, for the kingdom is yours. ({{s\|\|DC\|38\|14-15}})		:: ...ye are blessed, not because of your iniquity, neither your hearts of unbelief; for verily some of you are guilty before me, but I will be merciful unto your weakness. Therefore, be ye strong from henceforth; fear not, for the kingdom is yours. ({{s\|\|D&C\|38\|14-15}})
	* Jesus always commands us to "go and sin no more," ({{b\|\|John\|8\|11}}; see also {{b\|\|John\|5\|14}}, {{s\|\|DC\|6\|5}}, {{s\|\|DC\|24\|2}} {{s\|\|DC\|29\|3}}), but mercifully realizes we will need on-going repentance and faith in him. The scriptures call this "enduring to the end."		* Jesus always commands us to "go and sin no more," ({{b\|\|John\|8\|11}}; see also {{b\|\|John\|5\|14}}, {{s\|\|D&C\|6\|5}}, {{s\|\|D&C\|24\|2}} {{s\|\|D&C\|29\|3}}), but mercifully realizes we will need on-going repentance and faith in him. The scriptures call this "enduring to the end."
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	{{:Question: Do Mormon scriptures portray an "impossible gospel" in which nobody can be saved?}}		{{:Question: Do Mormon scriptures portray an "impossible gospel" in which nobody can be saved?}}

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	Mormons teach in D&C 14:7 and elsewhere that to receive eternal life one must not sin in any way or at least permanently stop sinning.		Mormons teach in D&C 14:7 and elsewhere that to receive eternal life one must not sin in any way or at least permanently stop sinning.
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	{{disinformation\|This claim is false. One must make and keep covenants. As Elder Bruce R. McConkie taught, "who is striving and struggling and desiring to do what is right, though ''far from perfect in this life''; if he passes out of this life while he’s on the straight and narrow, he’s going to go on to eternal reward in his Father’s kingdom. We don’t need to get a complex or ''get a feeling that you have to be perfect'' to be saved" (emphasis added).		{{disinformation\|This claim is false. One must make and keep covenants. As Elder Bruce R. McConkie taught, "who is striving and struggling and desiring to do what is right, though ''far from perfect in this life''; if he passes out of this life while he’s on the straight and narrow, he’s going to go on to eternal reward in his Father’s kingdom. We don’t need to get a complex or ''get a feeling that you have to be perfect'' to be saved" (emphasis added).
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	Mormons teach that “A Mormon, having received the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost, has no excuse for any sin.”		Mormons teach that “A Mormon, having received the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost, has no excuse for any sin.”
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	{{propaganda\|No one has any "excuse" for sin. This is why we need the atonement of Christ. No one ought to sin, but everyone does sin. Only Christ can save us.		{{propaganda\|No one has any "excuse" for sin. This is why we need the atonement of Christ. No one ought to sin, but everyone does sin. Only Christ can save us.
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	Mormons believe that in and of themselves, without the help of God, they “…have the means and power….to actually do whatever God commands.”		Mormons believe that in and of themselves, without the help of God, they “…have the means and power….to actually do whatever God commands.”
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	{{propaganda\|Here again we see the critics' rather idiosyncratic brand of modern hyper-Calvinism used to attack the Saints.		{{propaganda\|Here again we see the critics' rather idiosyncratic brand of modern hyper-Calvinism used to attack the Saints.

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	Mormons counterfeit Christianity by teaching that the atonement of Christ is never enough by itself to save any person from his sin and win for him eternal life.		Mormons counterfeit Christianity by teaching that the atonement of Christ is never enough by itself to save any person from his sin and win for him eternal life.
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	{{disinformation\|This is false. Only the atonement of Christ can save us from sins and win eternal life. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ believe that they have full access to the atonement as they make and keep covenants with God. The early Christians believed similarly.		{{disinformation\|This is false. Only the atonement of Christ can save us from sins and win eternal life. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ believe that they have full access to the atonement as they make and keep covenants with God. The early Christians believed similarly.
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	{{disinformation\|This claim is false. One must make and keep covenants. As Elder Bruce R. McConkie taught, "who is striving and struggling and desiring to do what is right, though ''far from perfect in this life''; if he passes out of this life while he’s on the straight and narrow, he’s going to go on to eternal reward in his Father’s kingdom. We don’t need to get a complex or ''get a feeling that you have to be perfect'' to be saved" (emphasis added).		{{disinformation\|This claim is false. One must make and keep covenants. As Elder Bruce R. McConkie taught, "who is striving and struggling and desiring to do what is right, though ''far from perfect in this life''; if he passes out of this life while he’s on the straight and narrow, he’s going to go on to eternal reward in his Father’s kingdom. We don’t need to get a complex or ''get a feeling that you have to be perfect'' to be saved" (emphasis added).
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	Mormons teach the impossible standard of “never failing to do anything He has commanded to be done” to be able to qualify for Gods’ grace.		Mormons teach the impossible standard of “never failing to do anything He has commanded to be done” to be able to qualify for Gods’ grace.
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	{{disinformation\|This is false, as demonstrated above. There are ample examples in LDS scripture of sinful individuals qualifying for God's grace despite failing to do many things (e.g., {{s\|\|Alma\|36\|\|}}). In the Doctrine and Covenants, the Lord says:		{{disinformation\|This is false, as demonstrated above. There are ample examples in LDS scripture of sinful individuals qualifying for God's grace despite failing to do many things (e.g., {{s\|\|Alma\|36\|\|}}). In the Doctrine and Covenants, the Lord says:
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	Mormons believe that in and of themselves, without the help of God, they “…have the means and power….to actually do whatever God commands.”		Mormons believe that in and of themselves, without the help of God, they “…have the means and power….to actually do whatever God commands.”
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	{{propaganda\|Here again we see the critics' rather idiosyncratic brand of modern hyper-Calvinism used to attack the Saints.		{{propaganda\|Here again we see the critics' rather idiosyncratic brand of modern hyper-Calvinism used to attack the Saints.

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