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	do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fulness of Times.		do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fulness of Times.
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	LDS Church News, June 20, 1998. {{link\|url=http://www.desnews.com/cgi-bin/libstory_church?dn98&9806210091}}		#LDS Church News, June 20, 1998. {{link\|url=http://www.desnews.com/cgi-bin/libstory_church?dn98&9806210091}}
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	{{misinformation\|Latter-day Saints reject non-biblical aspects of the ''creeds'' about Christ.}}		{{misinformation\|Latter-day Saints reject non-biblical aspects of the ''creeds'' about Christ.}}
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	\|title=Watchman Fellowship: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Profile		\|title=Watchman Fellowship: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Profile
	\|claim=The "Traditional Christian Christ" is "Eternally God." The "Mormon Christ" was "not always God" and "became a God."		\|claim=The "Traditional Christian Christ" is "Eternally God." The "Mormon Christ" was "not always God" and "became a God."
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	{{misinformation\|This is viewed in terms of Jesus rather than God the Father. Jesus ''did'' change in the sense that while he was Divine in his pre-mortal state, he became mortal, “increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man” (Luke 2:52), “learned” obedience through suffering (Hebrews 5:8), died, was resurrected and exalted on high. That the scriptures speak of Jesus growing in grace (favor) and wisdom and learning is significant.}}		{{misinformation\|This is viewed in terms of Jesus rather than God the Father. Jesus ''did'' change in the sense that while he was Divine in his pre-mortal state, he became mortal, “increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man” (Luke 2:52), “learned” obedience through suffering (Hebrews 5:8), died, was resurrected and exalted on high. That the scriptures speak of Jesus growing in grace (favor) and wisdom and learning is significant.}}
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	\|title=Watchman Fellowship: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Profile		\|title=Watchman Fellowship: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Profile
	\|claim=The "Traditional Christian Christ" is "Only God." The "Mormon Christ" is "One of Many Gods."		\|claim=The "Traditional Christian Christ" is "Only God." The "Mormon Christ" is "One of Many Gods."
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	In LDS theology, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God. That oneness is understood differently than the creeds.		In LDS theology, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God. That oneness is understood differently than the creeds.
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	\|claim=The "Traditional Christian Christ" is "Creator of All Things." The "Mormon Christ" "Was Created; Spirit Brother of Lucifer."		\|claim=The "Traditional Christian Christ" is "Creator of All Things." The "Mormon Christ" "Was Created; Spirit Brother of Lucifer."
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	Much of this is false. Jesus was not created in LDS theology. Jesus is also the Creator in LDS theology: "he shall be called Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of heaven and earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning; and his mother shall be called Mary" ({{s\|\|Mosiah\|3\|8}}). Latter-day Saints, like the early Christians, reject the creedal doctrine of ''creatio ex nihilo'' (creation out of nothing).		Much of this is false. Jesus was not created in LDS theology. Jesus is also the Creator in LDS theology: "he shall be called Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of heaven and earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning; and his mother shall be called Mary" ({{s\|\|Mosiah\|3\|8}}). Latter-day Saints, like the early Christians, reject the creedal doctrine of ''creatio ex nihilo'' (creation out of nothing).
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	\|claim=The "Traditional Christian Christ" is "Begotten Miraculously, of the Holy Spirit." The "Mormon Christ" is "Begotten Sexually, by God the Father."		\|claim=The "Traditional Christian Christ" is "Begotten Miraculously, of the Holy Spirit." The "Mormon Christ" is "Begotten Sexually, by God the Father."
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	{{disinformation\|There is no LDS doctrine on the method of Jesus' conception, save to say He is literally God's son. In LDS doctrine, "the virgin [Mary]...is the mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh....she was carried away in the Spirit; and after she had been carried away in the Spirit for the space of a time" she bore Jesus, the Son of God (see {{s\|1\|Nephi\|11\|18-19}}).		{{disinformation\|There is no LDS doctrine on the method of Jesus' conception, save to say He is literally God's son. In LDS doctrine, "the virgin [Mary]...is the mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh....she was carried away in the Spirit; and after she had been carried away in the Spirit for the space of a time" she bore Jesus, the Son of God (see {{s\|1\|Nephi\|11\|18-19}}).
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	\|title=Watchman Fellowship: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Profile		\|title=Watchman Fellowship: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Profile
	\|claim=The "Traditional Christian Christ" is "Not Married."The "Mormon Christ" is "Married with Children."		\|claim=The "Traditional Christian Christ" is "Not Married."The "Mormon Christ" is "Married with Children."
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	{{disinformation\|Some early LDS believed Jesus may have been married; the Church has no doctrine on this position. The scriptures do not tell us if Jesus was married or not.		{{disinformation\|Some early LDS believed Jesus may have been married; the Church has no doctrine on this position. The scriptures do not tell us if Jesus was married or not.
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	\|claim=The "Traditional Christian Christ" is "Atoned for Sin by Death on the Cross." The "Mormon Christ" is "Atoned by Sweating Blood in Gethsemane"		\|claim=The "Traditional Christian Christ" is "Atoned for Sin by Death on the Cross." The "Mormon Christ" is "Atoned by Sweating Blood in Gethsemane"
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	This is false. Latter-day Saints believe that Jesus' atoning sacrifice ''began'' in the Garden of Gethsemane, and was ''completed'' by his death on the cross. Furthermore, Jesus' entire perfect life formed part of his offering and mission in our behalf.		This is false. Latter-day Saints believe that Jesus' atoning sacrifice ''began'' in the Garden of Gethsemane, and was ''completed'' by his death on the cross. Furthermore, Jesus' entire perfect life formed part of his offering and mission in our behalf.
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	\|claim=The "Traditional Christian Christ" "Justifies the Ungodly." The "Mormon Christ" "Requires Godliness before Justification."		\|claim=The "Traditional Christian Christ" "Justifies the Ungodly." The "Mormon Christ" "Requires Godliness before Justification."
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	The authors here regard ''their'' late, rather idiosyncratic brand of conservative Protestant Christianity to be the same as "traditional" Christian views. But, in fact, there have been multiple Christian views on this point throughout history.		The authors here regard ''their'' late, rather idiosyncratic brand of conservative Protestant Christianity to be the same as "traditional" Christian views. But, in fact, there have been multiple Christian views on this point throughout history.
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	\|claim=The "Traditional Christian Christ" is "Offers Full Salvation Unconditionally." The "Mormon Christ" "Offers Full Salvation Only on Conditions."		\|claim=The "Traditional Christian Christ" is "Offers Full Salvation Unconditionally." The "Mormon Christ" "Offers Full Salvation Only on Conditions."
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	The authors here regard ''their'' late, rather idiosyncratic brand of conservative Protestant Christianity to be the same as "traditional" Christian views. But, in fact, there have been multiple Christian views on this point throughout history.		The authors here regard ''their'' late, rather idiosyncratic brand of conservative Protestant Christianity to be the same as "traditional" Christian views. But, in fact, there have been multiple Christian views on this point throughout history.

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