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Why did the author of the Letter to a CES Director choose to take a single quote from a single source, extract two phrases from it, reverse their order, and then present them both with different citations?

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	===The author presents two quotes and two different sources to demonstrate that Martin Harris did not actually see the gold plates and the angel Moroni===		===The author presents two quotes and two different sources to demonstrate that Martin Harris did not actually see the gold plates and the angel Moroni===
	The ''Letter to a CES Director'' presents two quotes and two sources to demonstrate that Martin Harris did not actually see the gold plates and the angel Moroni:		The ''Letter to a CES Director'' presents two quotes and two sources to demonstrate that Martin Harris did not actually see the gold plates and the angel Moroni:

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The reality

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	===The ~~reality~~===		===The two quotes are actually derived from the same quote, and the two different sources are actually from a single source===
	The ''Letter'' presents these two quotes as coming from two different sources: 1) Anthony Metcalf, ''Ten Years Before the Mast'' and 2) ''Early Mormon Documents'' (EMD) 2:346-347. An examination of the two sources, however, demonstrates that both came from the same source. The first quote, the one attributed to Metcalf, is found in ''EMD'' 2:346. The second quote is found in ''EMD'' 2:347. The combined citation for both quotes is ''EMD'' 2:346-347. The ''Letter'', however, only assigns this citation to the second quote. The author of the ''Letter'' also reverses the order in which the two phrases appear in the quote.		The ''Letter'' presents these two quotes as coming from two different sources: 1) Anthony Metcalf, ''Ten Years Before the Mast'' and 2) ''Early Mormon Documents'' (EMD) 2:346-347. An examination of the two sources, however, demonstrates that both came from the same source. The first quote, the one attributed to Metcalf, is found in ''EMD'' 2:346. The second quote is found in ''EMD'' 2:347. The combined citation for both quotes is ''EMD'' 2:346-347. The ''Letter'', however, only assigns this citation to the second quote. The author of the ''Letter'' also reverses the order in which the two phrases appear in the quote.

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The citations

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			==Why did the author of the ''Letter to a CES Director'' choose to take a single quote from a single source, extract two phrases from it, reverse their order, and then present them both with different citations?==
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	The ''Letter to a CES Director'' presents two quotes and two sources to demonstrate that Martin Harris did not actually see the gold plates and the angel Moroni:		The ''Letter to a CES Director'' presents two quotes and two sources to demonstrate that Martin Harris did not actually see the gold plates and the angel Moroni:
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	Following is the history as related to me, including all his connections with Joseph Smith, the pretended prophet and the founder of the Mormon church: He told me all about the translating of the Book of Mormon, and said he had give $5,000 towards its publication. He said <span style="color:blue">"I never saw the golden plates, only in a visionary or entranced state.</span> I wrote a great deal of the Book of Mormon myself, as Joseph Smith translated or spelled the words out in English. Sometimes the plates would be on a table in the room in which Smith did the translating, covered over with cloth. I was told by Joseph Smith that God would strike him dead if he attempted to look at them, and I believed it. When the time came for the three witnesses to see the plates, Joseph Smith, myself, David Whitmer and Oliver Cowdery, went into the woods to pray. When they had all engaged in prayer, they failed at that time to see the plates or the angel who should have been on hand to exhibit them. They all believed it was because I was not good enough, or, in other words, not sufficiently sanctified. I withdrew. As soon as I had gone away, the three others saw the angel and the plates. In about three days I went into the woods to pray that I might see the plates. <span style="color:blue">While praying I passed into a state of entrancement, and in that state I saw the angel and the plates.</span>" <ref>"Martin Harris Interview with Anthony Metcalf, Circa 1873-1874," in Vogel (ed.) ''Early Mormon Documents'' 2:346-347.</ref>		Following is the history as related to me, including all his connections with Joseph Smith, the pretended prophet and the founder of the Mormon church: He told me all about the translating of the Book of Mormon, and said he had give $5,000 towards its publication. He said <span style="color:blue">"I never saw the golden plates, only in a visionary or entranced state.</span> I wrote a great deal of the Book of Mormon myself, as Joseph Smith translated or spelled the words out in English. Sometimes the plates would be on a table in the room in which Smith did the translating, covered over with cloth. I was told by Joseph Smith that God would strike him dead if he attempted to look at them, and I believed it. When the time came for the three witnesses to see the plates, Joseph Smith, myself, David Whitmer and Oliver Cowdery, went into the woods to pray. When they had all engaged in prayer, they failed at that time to see the plates or the angel who should have been on hand to exhibit them. They all believed it was because I was not good enough, or, in other words, not sufficiently sanctified. I withdrew. As soon as I had gone away, the three others saw the angel and the plates. In about three days I went into the woods to pray that I might see the plates. <span style="color:blue">While praying I passed into a state of entrancement, and in that state I saw the angel and the plates.</span>" <ref>"Martin Harris Interview with Anthony Metcalf, Circa 1873-1874," in Vogel (ed.) ''Early Mormon Documents'' 2:346-347.</ref>
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			===The citations===
	The ''Letter to a CES Director'' presents two quotes and two sources to demonstrate that Martin Harris did not actually see the gold plates and the angel Moroni:		The ''Letter to a CES Director'' presents two quotes and two sources to demonstrate that Martin Harris did not actually see the gold plates and the angel Moroni:
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			===The reality===
	The ''Letter'' presents these two quotes as coming from two different sources: 1) Anthony Metcalf, ''Ten Years Before the Mast'' and 2) ''Early Mormon Documents'' (EMD) 2:346-347. An examination of the two sources, however, demonstrates that both came from the same source. The first quote, the one attributed to Metcalf, is found in ''EMD'' 2:346. The second quote is found in ''EMD'' 2:347. The combined citation for both quotes is ''EMD'' 2:346-347. The ''Letter'', however, only assigns this citation to the second quote. The author of the ''Letter'' also reverses the order in which the two phrases appear in the quote.		The ''Letter'' presents these two quotes as coming from two different sources: 1) Anthony Metcalf, ''Ten Years Before the Mast'' and 2) ''Early Mormon Documents'' (EMD) 2:346-347. An examination of the two sources, however, demonstrates that both came from the same source. The first quote, the one attributed to Metcalf, is found in ''EMD'' 2:346. The second quote is found in ''EMD'' 2:347. The combined citation for both quotes is ''EMD'' 2:346-347. The ''Letter'', however, only assigns this citation to the second quote. The author of the ''Letter'' also reverses the order in which the two phrases appear in the quote.

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