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GregSmith at 05:25, 8 June 2014

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	* the fountain near the Tree of Life in Lehi's dream, from which the river flows.		* the fountain near the Tree of Life in Lehi's dream, from which the river flows.

	Hugh Nibley tackled this issue by pointing out that the text speaks not of the “fountain” or source of the river, but of “the fountain of the Red Sea” (1 Nephi 2:9). Nibley then goes on to explain how the Semitic word yam (usually translated as “sea”) originally connoted “whether applied to salt water or fresh, the basic meaning of source or fountain.” (Nibley, Lehi in the Desert, CWHN 5:77-78.) Nibley then reasons that the Gulf of Aqaba, as a narrow branch of the Red Sea which one can look across to the opposite shore, “is a broad and elongated sheet of water… [which] opens out to the sea at its mouth, flowing out through two channels about five miles wide each.”<ref>{{{{Book:Nibley:Lehi in the Desert World of the Jaredites There Were Jaredites\|pages=77}}</ref> In other words, a “fountain” or “source” leading out into the Red Sea.		Hugh Nibley tackled this issue by pointing out that the text speaks not of the “fountain” or source of the river, but of “the fountain of the Red Sea” (1 Nephi 2:9). Nibley then goes on to explain how the Semitic word yam (usually translated as “sea”) originally connoted “whether applied to salt water or fresh, the basic meaning of source or fountain.” (Nibley, Lehi in the Desert, CWHN 5:77-78.) Nibley then reasons that the Gulf of Aqaba, as a narrow branch of the Red Sea which one can look across to the opposite shore, “is a broad and elongated sheet of water… [which] opens out to the sea at its mouth, flowing out through two channels about five miles wide each.”<ref>{{Book:Nibley:Lehi in the Desert World of the Jaredites There Were Jaredites\|pages=77}}</ref> In other words, a “fountain” or “source” leading out into the Red Sea.

	Taking a different approach, Paul Y. Hoskisson explains that the cosmological conceptions of ancient Near Eastern peoples were such that rivers drew from the oceanic waters at their mouth. As such, the notion of the river flowing into a “fountain” or “source” is not problematic, but rather reflects a rather authentic expression of the ancient Near Eastern Perspective. Hoskisson writes,		Taking a different approach, Paul Y. Hoskisson explains that the cosmological conceptions of ancient Near Eastern peoples were such that rivers drew from the oceanic waters at their mouth. As such, the notion of the river flowing into a “fountain” or “source” is not problematic, but rather reflects a rather authentic expression of the ancient Near Eastern Perspective. Hoskisson writes,

GregSmith at 05:25, 8 June 2014

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	* the fountain near the Tree of Life in Lehi's dream, from which the river flows.		* the fountain near the Tree of Life in Lehi's dream, from which the river flows.

	Hugh Nibley tackled this issue by pointing out that the text speaks not of the “fountain” or source of the river, but of “the fountain of the Red Sea” (1 Nephi 2:9). Nibley then goes on to explain how the Semitic word yam (usually translated as “sea”) originally connoted “whether applied to salt water or fresh, the basic meaning of source or fountain.” (Nibley, Lehi in the Desert, CWHN 5:77-78.) Nibley then reasons that the Gulf of Aqaba, as a narrow branch of the Red Sea which one can look across to the opposite shore, “is a broad and elongated sheet of water… [which] opens out to the sea at its mouth, flowing out through two channels about five miles wide each.”<ref>{{~~CWHN5~~\|pages=77}}</ref> In other words, a “fountain” or “source” leading out into the Red Sea.		Hugh Nibley tackled this issue by pointing out that the text speaks not of the “fountain” or source of the river, but of “the fountain of the Red Sea” (1 Nephi 2:9). Nibley then goes on to explain how the Semitic word yam (usually translated as “sea”) originally connoted “whether applied to salt water or fresh, the basic meaning of source or fountain.” (Nibley, Lehi in the Desert, CWHN 5:77-78.) Nibley then reasons that the Gulf of Aqaba, as a narrow branch of the Red Sea which one can look across to the opposite shore, “is a broad and elongated sheet of water… [which] opens out to the sea at its mouth, flowing out through two channels about five miles wide each.”<ref>{{{{Book:Nibley:Lehi in the Desert World of the Jaredites There Were Jaredites\|pages=77}}</ref> In other words, a “fountain” or “source” leading out into the Red Sea.

	Taking a different approach, Paul Y. Hoskisson explains that the cosmological conceptions of ancient Near Eastern peoples were such that rivers drew from the oceanic waters at their mouth. As such, the notion of the river flowing into a “fountain” or “source” is not problematic, but rather reflects a rather authentic expression of the ancient Near Eastern Perspective. Hoskisson writes,		Taking a different approach, Paul Y. Hoskisson explains that the cosmological conceptions of ancient Near Eastern peoples were such that rivers drew from the oceanic waters at their mouth. As such, the notion of the river flowing into a “fountain” or “source” is not problematic, but rather reflects a rather authentic expression of the ancient Near Eastern Perspective. Hoskisson writes,

GregSmith at 05:24, 8 June 2014

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	* the fountain near the Tree of Life in Lehi's dream, from which the river flows.		* the fountain near the Tree of Life in Lehi's dream, from which the river flows.

	Hugh Nibley tackled this issue by pointing out that the text speaks not of the “fountain” or source of the river, but of “the fountain of the Red Sea” (1 Nephi 2:9). Nibley then goes on to explain how the Semitic word yam (usually translated as “sea”) originally connoted “whether applied to salt water or fresh, the basic meaning of source or fountain.” (Nibley, Lehi in the Desert, CWHN 5:77-78.) Nibley then reasons that the Gulf of Aqaba, as a narrow branch of the Red Sea which one can look across to the opposite shore, “is a broad and elongated sheet of water… [which] opens out to the sea at its mouth, flowing out through two channels about five miles wide each.” ~~(Nibley, Lehi in the Desert, CWHN 5:~~77.) In other words, a “fountain” or “source” leading out into the Red Sea.		Hugh Nibley tackled this issue by pointing out that the text speaks not of the “fountain” or source of the river, but of “the fountain of the Red Sea” (1 Nephi 2:9). Nibley then goes on to explain how the Semitic word yam (usually translated as “sea”) originally connoted “whether applied to salt water or fresh, the basic meaning of source or fountain.” (Nibley, Lehi in the Desert, CWHN 5:77-78.) Nibley then reasons that the Gulf of Aqaba, as a narrow branch of the Red Sea which one can look across to the opposite shore, “is a broad and elongated sheet of water… [which] opens out to the sea at its mouth, flowing out through two channels about five miles wide each.”<ref>{{CWHN5\|pages=77}}</ref> In other words, a “fountain” or “source” leading out into the Red Sea.

	Taking a different approach, Paul Y. Hoskisson explains that the cosmological conceptions of ancient Near Eastern peoples were such that rivers drew from the oceanic waters at their mouth. As such, the notion of the river flowing into a “fountain” or “source” is not problematic, but rather reflects a rather authentic expression of the ancient Near Eastern Perspective. Hoskisson writes,		Taking a different approach, Paul Y. Hoskisson explains that the cosmological conceptions of ancient Near Eastern peoples were such that rivers drew from the oceanic waters at their mouth. As such, the notion of the river flowing into a “fountain” or “source” is not problematic, but rather reflects a rather authentic expression of the ancient Near Eastern Perspective. Hoskisson writes,

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	It is claimed that description of "a river’s running into a ''fountain''" in 1 Nephi is absurd.{{~~ref~~\|~~bachelor.1~~}}		It is claimed that description of "a river’s running into a ''fountain''" in 1 Nephi is absurd.<ref>{{CriticalWork:Bachelor:Mormonism Exposed\|pages=9}}</ref>

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	understanding. Our Book of Mormon is in authentic ancient Near Eastern		understanding. Our Book of Mormon is in authentic ancient Near Eastern
	tradition on this point; and the Prophet Joseph Smith could not have		tradition on this point; and the Prophet Joseph Smith could not have
	known about it. This then seems to become sufficient evidence. {{~~ref~~\|~~hoskisson~~}}		known about it. This then seems to become sufficient evidence.<Ref>Paul Y. Hoskisson, “Textual Evidences for the Book of Mormon,” in ''First Nephi, The Doctrinal Foundation'', ed. Monte S. Nyman and Charles D. Tate Jr. (Provo, UT: Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University, 1988), 289-90. {{link\|url=https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/book-mormon-first-nephi-doctrinal-foundation/19-textual-evidences-book-mormon}}</ref>
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	#{{note\|hoskisson}} Paul Y. Hoskisson, “Textual Evidences for the Book of Mormon,” in First Nephi, The Doctrinal Foundation, ed. Monte S. Nyman and Charles D. Tate Jr. (Provo, UT: Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University, 1988), 289-90. {{link\|url=https:/~~/rsc.byu.edu/archived/book-mormon-first-nephi-doctrinal-foundation/19-textual-evidences-book-mormon}}~~		<references />

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