Alleged whitewashing of Church history - Revision history

GregSmith at 21:46, 4 June 2024

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	==Altering the history==		==Altering the history==

GregSmith: /* Conclusion */

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Conclusion

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GregSmith: /* Conclusion */

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	These types of attacks, then, rely on the reader misunderstanding the nature of historical writing in the past, and ascribing nefarious motives to understandable decisions.		These types of attacks, then, rely on the reader misunderstanding the nature of historical writing in the past, and ascribing nefarious motives to understandable decisions.

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GregSmith at 09:21, 16 May 2024

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	Thus, faithful apostles would continue their work among the wicked (either as a mortal or among the spirits) until Christ comes.</onlyinclude>		Thus, faithful apostles would continue their work among the wicked (either as a mortal or among the spirits) until Christ comes.</onlyinclude>

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	One's attitude to Joseph, Sidney, the Twelve, and the Church's truth claims will probably determine which explanation seems most plausible to each reader.</onlyinclude>		One's attitude to Joseph, Sidney, the Twelve, and the Church's truth claims will probably determine which explanation seems most plausible to each reader.</onlyinclude>
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	==A more modern example==		==A more modern example==

GregSmith at 09:20, 16 May 2024

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	:(c) a mis-remembered or deliberately fabricated remark inserted after Joseph's death to weaken Sidney's claims to the succession.		:(c) a mis-remembered or deliberately fabricated remark inserted after Joseph's death to weaken Sidney's claims to the succession.

	One's attitude to Joseph, Sidney, the Twelve, and the Church's truth claims will probably determine which explanation seems most plausible to each reader.		One's attitude to Joseph, Sidney, the Twelve, and the Church's truth claims will probably determine which explanation seems most plausible to each reader.</onlyinclude>
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GregSmith at 09:20, 16 May 2024

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			=Alleged whitewashing of Church history=
	Real history with real mortals is complex and messy. It is not uncommon to be troubled by an aspect of Church history. Critics of the Church often seek to make these concerns worse by claiming or implying that the Church hides troubling aspects of its history.		Real history with real mortals is complex and messy. It is not uncommon to be troubled by an aspect of Church history. Critics of the Church often seek to make these concerns worse by claiming or implying that the Church hides troubling aspects of its history.

GregSmith at 09:20, 16 May 2024

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 ==A more modern example==
-In an effort to portray this type of supposed 'deception' as a routine Church tactic, critics will often point to
+In an effort to portray this type of supposed 'deception' as a routine Church tactic, critics will often point to the decision to have Elder Ronald L. Poelman's 1984 conference talk re-recorded with a "cough track"
-{{subst:Question: Did the Church order Ronald L. Poelman's 1984 conference talk to be re-recorded with a "cough track" in order to hide the fact that changes had been made?}}
+This decision is then portrayed as an effort to hide the fact that changes had been made to his talk before its publication. As we might expect, the reality is more complicated and far less sinister.
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 [[es:Pregunta: ¿La bendición de Oliver Cowdery y la promesa a Orson Hyde contienen una falsa profecía, que luego fue alterada antes de ser impresa en Historia de la Iglesia?]]
 [[es:Pregunta: ¿Por qué el relato del "juicio" de Sidney Rigdon registrado en el Times and Seasons difiere notablemente de la versión disponible en la Historia de la Iglesia?]]

GregSmith at 09:14, 16 May 2024

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	~~{{subst:Question: Why does the account of Sidney Rigdon's 'trial' recorded in the Times and Seasons differs markedly from the version available in the History of the Church?}}~~		==A more modern example==

			In an effort to portray this type of supposed 'deception' as a routine Church tactic, critics will often point to

			{{subst:Question: Did the Church order Ronald L. Poelman's 1984 conference talk to be re-recorded with a "cough track" in order to hide the fact that changes had been made?}}
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	[[es:Pregunta: ¿La bendición de Oliver Cowdery y la promesa a Orson Hyde contienen una falsa profecía, que luego fue alterada antes de ser impresa en Historia de la Iglesia?]]		[[es:Pregunta: ¿La bendición de Oliver Cowdery y la promesa a Orson Hyde contienen una falsa profecía, que luego fue alterada antes de ser impresa en Historia de la Iglesia?]]
			[[es:Pregunta: ¿Por qué el relato del "juicio" de Sidney Rigdon registrado en el Times and Seasons difiere notablemente de la versión disponible en la Historia de la Iglesia?]]

GregSmith at 09:11, 16 May 2024

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GregSmith: /* Question: Is this blessing an example of a false prophecy?Answer: No. */

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Question: Is this blessing an example of a false prophecy?Answer: No.

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	===~~Question: Is this blessing an example of~~ a false prophecy~~?Answer: No.~~===		===This is simply not a false prophecy===

	Critics go further in claiming that the blessing which says that Hyde "shall stand on the earth and bring souls till Christ comes" proves that this is a false prophecy.		Critics go further in claiming that the blessing which says that Hyde "shall stand on the earth and bring souls till Christ comes" proves that this is a false prophecy.
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			==Sidney Rigdon and the succession crisis of 1844==

			Joseph Smith's murder posed a dilemma for early members—who would lead the Church while he was gone. Sidney Rigdon offered himself as a leader; this was opposed by Brigham Young and the twelve apostles.

			Sidney was not sustained by Church members, and he was later tried for his membership. Critics have again pointed to differences between the original source for his membership trial (the Church's newspaper ''Times and Seasons'') and the version which appears in ''History of the Church''.

			{{subst:Question: Why does the account of Sidney Rigdon's 'trial' recorded in the Times and Seasons differs markedly from the version available in the History of the Church?}}

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