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|L1=Response to claim: 256 - Was Brigham considered a "king" over the territory?
|L2=Response to claim: 257 - "At the outset of their confrontation with America, the Mormons clearly had an advantage"
|L3=Response to claim: 260, 569 (HB) 567n16 (PB) - Did Brigham Young call for blood atonement in order to punish Washington politicians?
|L4=Response to claim: 266, 570n39 (HB) 568n38 (PB) - Did Heber C. Kimball promise that after the Civil War ended, that Latter-day Saints would become the "sole rulers over every other government"?
|L5=Response to claim: 267, 570-1n39-47 (HB) 568-9n39-47 (PB) - Was Joseph Smith's "Civil War prophecy" a false prophecy since "in 1832 a civil war beginning with South Carolina would have surprised no one"?
|L6=Response to claim: 269, 571n48-49 (HB) 569n48-49 (PB) - If the Civil War prophecy is true, then why is it that war was not brought to "all nations" as Joseph said it would be?
|L7=Response to claim: 269, 571n50 (HB) 569n50 (PB) - The Civil War did not result in slaves rising up against their masters as the prophecy predicts
|L8=Response to claim: 270, 571n51 (HB) 569n51 (PB) - Sandra Tanner said that the prophecy "was probably inspired by the fact that South Carolina had already rebelled before the revelation was given"
|L9=Response to claim: 270 - "Because the Saints saw the Civil War as a fulfillment of prophecy, its horrors actually brought them some degree of emotional satisfaction and comfort"
|L10=Response to claim: 270, 571n52 (HB) 569n52 (PB) - Why did Orson Hyde say: "Do I believe that the United States will be divided? yes, I do; and the prayers of all the Saints throughout the world should be to that effect"?
|L11=Response to claim: 271 - Was the death of "Col. Johnston," in the Civil War (of "Johnston's army" in Utah) on April 6 interpreted by Latter-day Saints as a sign of divine judgment?
|L12=Response to claim: 271, 572n54 (HB) 570n54 (PB) - Was Utah's second governor, John W. Dawson, who replaced Governor Cummings in 1861 beaten by Latter-day Saints?
|L13=Response to claim: 271, 572n55 (HB) 570n55 (PB) - Did Brigham Young state that too much education would be damaging to children?
|L14=Response to claim: 273, 572n59 (HB) 570n59 (PB) - Did Heber C. Kimball say that the United States government was "dead, thank God, dead"?
|L15=Response to claim: 276 - The author states that when the Civil War ended, "the Mormons...had not sent a single soldier into the conflict, but instead had prayed for Christ's return and the establishment of Zion"
|L16=Response to claim: 278 - "Blacks were emancipated (1860s), which in less than a hundred years would result in a backlash against Mormonism's racist spirituality"
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==Response to claim: 256 - Was Brigham considered a "king" over the territory?==
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Was Brigham considered a "king" over the territory?
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#No source provided.
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{{propaganda|It is for the author to demonstrate this assertion.  He provides no source.  The burden of proof is on him.
}}

==Response to claim: 257 - "At the outset of their confrontation with America, the Mormons clearly had an advantage"==
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|title=One Nation Under Gods
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{{AuthorQuote|"At the outset of their confrontation with America, the Mormons clearly had an advantage."}}
|authorsources=<br>
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{{propaganda|The cited quotes say nothing about this at all. It is for the author to demonstrate this assertion. He provides no source. The burden of proof is on him. The Saints, however, had been driven repeatedly from different states.  They faced several lean years with poor harvests.  They were threatened during the Utah War by 1/6 of the US army. It is not clear in what way the "Mormons clearly had an advantage."
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==Response to claim: 260, 569 (HB) 567n16 (PB) - Did Brigham Young call for blood atonement in order to punish Washington politicians?==
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Did Brigham Young call for blood atonement in order to punish Washington politicians?
|authorsources=<br>
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=32|vol=2|start=179}}
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=55|vol=5|start=331}}
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{{misinformation|Brigham speaks about the choice between being "trodden under foot...and die," or self-defense. He says nothing about blood atonement.
}}
*[[../Use of sources/Blood atone Washington politicians|Use of sources: Blood atone Washington politicians]]
{{:Question: Did Brigham Young call for blood atonement in order to punish Washington politicians?}}

==Response to claim: 266, 570n39 (HB) 568n38 (PB) - Did Heber C. Kimball promise that after the Civil War ended, that Latter-day Saints would become the "sole rulers over every other government"?==
{{IndexClaimItemShort
|title=One Nation Under Gods
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Did Heber C. Kimball promise that after the Civil War ended, that Latter-day Saints would become the "sole rulers over every other government"?
|authorsources=<br>
#{{JDfairwiki|author=Heber C. Kimball|disc=2|vol=9|start=7}}
}}
{{misinformation|Heber asserts that the Saints will be free from oppression, but he says nothing about replacing every other government.
}}
*[[../Use of sources/Saints sole rulers over every government|Use of sources: Saints sole rulers over every government?]]
{{:Question: Did Heber C. Kimball promise that after the Civil War ended, the Latter-day Saints would become the "sole rulers over every other government"?}}

==Response to claim: 267, 570-1n39-47 (HB) 568-9n39-47 (PB) - Was Joseph Smith's "Civil War prophecy" a false prophecy since "in 1832 a civil war beginning with South Carolina would have surprised no one"?==
{{IndexClaimItemShort
|title=One Nation Under Gods
|claim=
Was Joseph Smith's "Civil War prophecy" a false prophecy since "in 1832 a civil war beginning with South Carolina would have surprised no one?"
|authorsources=<br>
*{{EoM1|author=Paul H. Peterson|article=Civil War Prophecy|vol=1|start=288}} {{link1|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/EoM&CISOPTR=4391&CISOSHOW=3509}}
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*''The Seer'', 1854 (cited in main body text)
*''The Pearl of Great Price'', 1851 (cited in main body text)
*"South Carolina Ordinance of Nullification," November 24, 1832, in Paul Leicester Ford, ''The Federalist: A Commentary on the Constitution of the United Sates by Alexander Manilton, James Madison and John Jay.
*"President Jackson's Proclamation Regarding Nullification," December 10, 1832, in Ford,.
*Carol Bleser, ed ''Secret and Sacred: The Diaries of James Hummond, A Southern Slaveholder''. Cited in James David, "Response to K.."
*John Farkas, "False Prophecies Of Joseph Smith."
*''The Evening and Morning Star'' cited or quoted from the ''Morning Courier and New York Enquirer'' in June, July, August, December 1832; January, February, March, May, June (1833) and April 1834. The author notes that Jerald and Sandra Tanner propose a theory by which Joseph Smith formulated the "Civil War prophecy."
}}
{{misinformation|Joseph reiterated aspects of the prophecy and added new detail in 1842.  The Church published the prophecy in 1851, well after any events of 1832. Only four years before the Civil War, the Mormons were mocked for believing Joseph's prophecy about a war between the states.
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{{:Question: What is Joseph Smith's 1832 prophecy of the Civil War?}}
{{:Question: Was Joseph Smith's 1832 prophecy of the Civil War invalid because a civil war was "inevitable," and "anyone" could have predicted it?}}

==Response to claim: 269, 571n48-49 (HB) 569n48-49 (PB) - If the Civil War prophecy is true, then why is it that war was not brought to "all nations" as Joseph said it would be?==
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If the Civil War prophecy is true, then why is it that war was not brought to "all nations" as Joseph said it would be? Marvin Cowan said that "[T]here is no more relationship between the Civil War and World Wars I and II than there is between the Spanish-American War and the Vietnam War!"
|authorsources=<br>
*Jeff Lindsay, web site.
*Marvin Cowan, ''Mormon Claims Answered''. (no page provided)
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{{misinformation|This revelation was not just about the American Civil War.
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{{:Question: Was Joseph Smith's 1832 prophecy of the Civil War invalid because "war was not brought to all nations" by the Civil War and/or claiming there is "no link" between the Civil War and later conflicts?}}

==Response to claim: 269, 571n50 (HB) 569n50 (PB) - The Civil War did not result in slaves rising up against their masters as the prophecy predicts==
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*The Civil War did not result in slaves rising up against their masters as the prophecy predicts. The author notes that "Some slaves actually fought for the Confederacy." The endnote qualifies the statement made in the main text: "It must be noted that there is some degree of controversy surrounding the assertion that Blacks fought for the Confederacy. Much of the disagreement may be semantic in nature&mdash;e.g., What exactly do the terms 'slave,' 'Black,' or 'fight' mean?"
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*Walter Williams, "Blacks Who Fought For the South," ''Washington Times''.
*Edward Spencer, "Annals of the War".
*Kristen Peterson, "Black Confederates: Slaves or Soldiers?"''Las Vegas Sun'', August 19, 2000. (opposing view)
}}
{{misinformation|This is incorrect.
}}
{{:Question: Was Joseph Smith's 1832 prophecy of the Civil War invalid because slaves did not rise up against their masters in the Civil War?}}

==Response to claim: 270, 571n51 (HB) 569n51 (PB) - Sandra Tanner said that the prophecy "was probably inspired by the fact that South Carolina had ''already'' rebelled before the revelation was given"==
{{IndexClaimItemShort
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Sandra Tanner said that the prophecy "was probably inspired by the fact that South Carolina had ''already'' rebelled before the revelation was given."
|authorsources=<br>
#{{CriticalWork:Tanner:Mormonism Shadow|pages=190}}
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{{misinformation|There were troubles in South Carolina, but a rebellion was averted. The Church and its members continued to publicize the prophecy well after things calmed down.
}}
{{:Question: Did the Church cover up the fact that the Civil War prophecy was made during the 1832 rebellion in South Carolina?}}
{{:Question: After the end of the rebellion in South Carolina, did the Church not mention the Civil War prophecy for many years?}}

==Response to claim: 270 - "Because the Saints saw the Civil War as a fulfillment of prophecy, its horrors actually brought them some degree of emotional satisfaction and comfort"==
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{{AuthorQuote|"Because the Saints saw the Civil War as a fulfillment of prophecy, its horrors actually brought them some degree of emotional satisfaction and comfort."}}
|authorsources=<br>
#Author's opinion.
}}
{{propaganda|The author implies that the Saints took joy in the death and destruction of the Civil War. The Saints saw the Civil War as:
*prophesied by Joseph Smith
*God's just punishment for the nation who had allowed them to be repeatedly driven and dispossessed without protecting their freedom of religion or property
*poetic justice for those who had appealed to states' rights to allow the persecution of the Saints to go unredressed.
*a consequence of wickedness among the American nation, and the spirit of the Lord being withdrawn from striving with them.
*a sad and tragic event which they had sought to change, but which could not be averted because of a refusal for the nation to heed ample prophetic warnings given over an extended period.
}}
[[../Use of sources/Attitude of Saints to Civil War prophecy|Use of sources: Attitude of Saints to Civil War prophecy]]

==Response to claim: 270, 571n52 (HB) 569n52 (PB) - Why did Orson Hyde say: "Do I believe that the United States will be divided? yes, I do; and the prayers of all the Saints throughout the world should be to that effect"?==
{{IndexClaimItemShort
|title=One Nation Under Gods
|claim=
Why did Orson Hyde say: "Do I believe that the United States will be divided? yes, I do; and the prayers of all the Saints throughout the world should be to that effect"? 
|authorsources=<br>
#{{JDfairwiki|author=Orson Hyde|disc=2|vol=6|start=13}}
}}
{{information|Orson Hyde said this because the United States was sending an army against the Saints, based on false information.
}}
[[../Use of sources/Hyde on US to be divided|Use of sources: Hyde on US to be divided]]
{{:Question: Why did Orson Hyde say: "Do I believe that the United States will be divided? yes, I do; and the prayers of all the Saints throughout the world should be to that effect"?}}

==Response to claim: 271 - Was the death of "Col. Johnston," in the Civil War (of "Johnston's army" in Utah) on April 6 interpreted by Latter-day Saints as a sign of divine judgment?==
{{IndexClaimItemShort
|title=One Nation Under Gods
|claim=
Was the death of "Col. Johnston," in the Civil War (of "Johnston's army" in Utah) on April 6 interpreted by Latter-day Saints as a sign of divine judgment? 
|authorsources=<br>
#No citation is provided.
}}
{{propaganda|It is for the author to demonstrate this assertion.  He provides no source.  The burden of proof is on him.
}}

==Response to claim: 271, 572n54 (HB) 570n54 (PB) - Was Utah's second governor, John W. Dawson, who replaced Governor Cummings in 1861 beaten by Latter-day Saints?==
{{IndexClaimItemShort
|title=One Nation Under Gods
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Was Utah's second governor, John W. Dawson, who replaced Governor Cummings in 1861 beaten by Latter-day Saints "so severely that he never fully recovered from his injuries?"
|authorsources=<br>
*No citation is provided for the claim regarding the beating.
*Alfred Cumming, letter dated March 1, 1860, Alfred Cumming Papers.
}}
{{propaganda|Dawson had attempted to seduce a Mormon woman.  It was not unusual for nineteenth-century citizens to deal out punishment, especially for sexual crimes. Those responsible were guilty of previous crimes, and were pursued by the law.
}}
*[[../Use of sources/Beating John W. Dawson|Use of sources: Beating John W. Dawson]]
{{:Question: Was Utah's second governor, John W. Dawson, beaten by Latter-day Saints?}}

==Response to claim: 271, 572n55 (HB) 570n55 (PB) - Did Brigham Young state that too much education would be damaging to children?==
{{IndexClaimItemShort
|title=One Nation Under Gods
|claim=
Did Brigham Young state that too much education would be damaging to children? Young had stated:
<blockquote>
We should never crowd and force the minds of our children beyond what they are able to bear. If we do we ruin them for life."
</blockquote>
|authorsources=<br>
#Brigham Young. Quoted in Scott G. Kenney, ed., ''Wilford Woodruff's Journal'', 1833-1898, under January 1, 1861, vol. 5, 536.
}}
{{misinformation|Brigham was highly in favor of education; he was not, however, in favor of "whipping," "forcing" or "confining" young minds and bodies "beyond what they are able to bear."
}}
{{:Question: Did Brigham Young claim that too much education was damaging to children?}}

==Response to claim: 273, 572n59 (HB) 570n59 (PB) - Did Heber C. Kimball say that the United States government was "dead, thank God, dead"?==
{{IndexClaimItemShort
|title=One Nation Under Gods
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Did Heber C. Kimball say that the United States government was "dead, thank God, dead"?
|authorsources=<br>
#Harding. Quoted  in Eugene E. Campbell, ''Establishing Zion: The Mormon Church in the American West, 1847-1869'', 292.
}}
{{information|The claim comes from territorial governor Stephen E. Harding.<ref>U.S. State Department, Territorial Papers, Utah 1853-73, M12, roll 1, National Archives; cited in Stanley B. Kimball, ''Heber C. Kimball'', 264.</ref>  There is no other source, though since the Saints saw the Civil War as a tragic but inevitable result of the nation's wickedness and refusal to grant freedom of religion and redress to the Saints, it is certainly possible that Kimball said this or something like it.
}}

==Response to claim: 276 - The author states that when the Civil War ended, "the Mormons...had not sent a single soldier into the conflict, but instead had prayed for Christ's return and the establishment of Zion"==
{{IndexClaimItemShort
|title=One Nation Under Gods
|claim=
The author states that when the Civil War ended, "the Mormons...had not sent a single soldier into the conflict, but instead had prayed for Christ's return and the establishment of Zion."
|authorsources=<br>
#No source provided.
}}
{{propaganda|It worth remembering that the author earlier made a very [[../../Notable omissions|notable omission]] regarding the Saints trek westward: He makes no mention of the Mormon Battalion, who were conscripted during the harshest time during the exodus west from July 1846 to July 1847 during the Mexican-American War.
}}

==Response to claim: 278 - "Blacks were emancipated (1860s), which in less than a hundred years would result in a backlash against Mormonism's racist spirituality"==
{{IndexClaimItemShort
|title=One Nation Under Gods
|claim=
{{AuthorQuote|"Blacks were emancipated (1860s), which in less than a hundred years would result in a backlash against Mormonism's racist spirituality."}}
|authorsources=<br>
#Author's opinion.
}}
{{propaganda|Does the book mean to imply that the ''rest of the country'' was ''not'' racist in the late 1860s? The Civil Rights Movement didn't occur until the ''1960s''&mdash;about 100 years later. The author makes no mention of the fact that the "Curse of Ham" was a ''Protestant'' invention that was used to ''justify the practice of slavery.'' Instead, he portrays "the Mormons" as being behind the times for the next hundred years. This section fails to mention that most Protestant denominations did not have integrated congregations for the next hundred years at least.
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*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}}
*[[../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]]

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