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Mormonismus betreffende Fälschungen/Kinderhook Platten: Unterschied zwischen den Versionen
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Wie soll man sich folgende Dinge erklären, wenn man nach gegenwärtigem HLT Glauben davon ausgeht, dass die Kinderhook Platten ein Betrug waren? | Wie soll man sich folgende Dinge erklären, wenn man nach gegenwärtigem HLT Glauben davon ausgeht, dass die Kinderhook Platten ein Betrug waren? | ||
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[[Image:KinderhookPlates.jpg|frame|left|Image{{ref|image1}} of front and back of four of the six Kinderhook plates are shown in these facsimiles (rough copies of even earlier published facsimiles), which appeared in 1909 in {{HC|vol=5|start=374|end=375}}]] | [[Image:KinderhookPlates.jpg|frame|left|Image{{ref|image1}} of front and back of four of the six Kinderhook plates are shown in these facsimiles (rough copies of even earlier published facsimiles), which appeared in 1909 in {{HC|vol=5|start=374|end=375}}]] | ||
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Second, Joseph Smith appears to have had the plates in his possession for about five days. | Second, Joseph Smith appears to have had the plates in his possession for about five days. | ||
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===Conflicting accounts=== | ===Conflicting accounts=== | ||
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Since no actual translation was ever forthcoming, and since there is no actual evidence for a translation being made, most believing LDS conclude that it is safe to assume that no translation actually occurred. | Since no actual translation was ever forthcoming, and since there is no actual evidence for a translation being made, most believing LDS conclude that it is safe to assume that no translation actually occurred. | ||
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===Odds and Ends=== | ===Odds and Ends=== | ||
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The ''History of the Church'' account of Joseph translating the plates was not written by Joseph, but is the work of an editor who, following Joseph's death, reworked William Clayton's entry and wrote it as if Joseph Smith had spoken it.{{ref|hc1}} This was common historical practice at the time, but does not provide any additional evidence for Joseph's attitude toward the plates.{{ref|kimball1}} | The ''History of the Church'' account of Joseph translating the plates was not written by Joseph, but is the work of an editor who, following Joseph's death, reworked William Clayton's entry and wrote it as if Joseph Smith had spoken it.{{ref|hc1}} This was common historical practice at the time, but does not provide any additional evidence for Joseph's attitude toward the plates.{{ref|kimball1}} | ||
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==Schlussfolgerung== | ==Schlussfolgerung== | ||
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All we can conclude from the Clayton account is that there was considerable interest in the plates, a variety of stories concerning them, and anticipation that Joseph might translate, as the conspirators claimed they hoped he would. | All we can conclude from the Clayton account is that there was considerable interest in the plates, a variety of stories concerning them, and anticipation that Joseph might translate, as the conspirators claimed they hoped he would. | ||
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==Fußnoten== | ==Fußnoten== | ||
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#{{note|hc1}} {{HoC1|vol=5|start=372}} | #{{note|hc1}} {{HoC1|vol=5|start=372}} | ||
#{{note|kimball1}} See discussion in {{Ensign|author=Stanley B. Kimball|article=Kinderhook Plates Brought to Joseph Smith Appear to Be a Nineteenth-Century Hoax|vol=11|num=8|date=August 1981|start=66|end=74}}{{link|url=http://library.lds.org/library/lpext.dll/ArchMagazines/Ensign/1981.htm/ensign%20august%201981.htm/kinderhook%20plates%20brought%20to%20joseph%20smith%20appear%20to%20be%20a%20nineteenthcentury%20hoax.htm}} | #{{note|kimball1}} See discussion in {{Ensign|author=Stanley B. Kimball|article=Kinderhook Plates Brought to Joseph Smith Appear to Be a Nineteenth-Century Hoax|vol=11|num=8|date=August 1981|start=66|end=74}}{{link|url=http://library.lds.org/library/lpext.dll/ArchMagazines/Ensign/1981.htm/ensign%20august%201981.htm/kinderhook%20plates%20brought%20to%20joseph%20smith%20appear%20to%20be%20a%20nineteenthcentury%20hoax.htm}} | ||
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==Zusätzliches Material== | ==Zusätzliches Material== | ||
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===FAIRwiki Artikel=== | ===FAIRwiki Artikel=== | ||
{{SalamanderWiki}} | {{SalamanderWiki}} | ||
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===FAIR Website=== | ===FAIR Website=== | ||
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*Ask the Apologist: How do we explain the early comments about the Kinderhook Plates?{{fairlink|url=http://www.fairlds.org/apol/misc/misc32.html}} | *Ask the Apologist: How do we explain the early comments about the Kinderhook Plates?{{fairlink|url=http://www.fairlds.org/apol/misc/misc32.html}} | ||
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===External links=== | ===External links=== | ||
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*{{Ensign|author=Stanley B. Kimball|article=Kinderhook Plates Brought to Joseph Smith Appear to Be a Nineteenth-Century Hoax|vol=11|num=8|date=August 1981|start=66|end=74}}{{link|url=http://library.lds.org/library/lpext.dll/ArchMagazines/Ensign/1981.htm/ensign%20august%201981.htm/kinderhook%20plates%20brought%20to%20joseph%20smith%20appear%20to%20be%20a%20nineteenthcentury%20hoax.htm}}{{nb}} | *{{Ensign|author=Stanley B. Kimball|article=Kinderhook Plates Brought to Joseph Smith Appear to Be a Nineteenth-Century Hoax|vol=11|num=8|date=August 1981|start=66|end=74}}{{link|url=http://library.lds.org/library/lpext.dll/ArchMagazines/Ensign/1981.htm/ensign%20august%201981.htm/kinderhook%20plates%20brought%20to%20joseph%20smith%20appear%20to%20be%20a%20nineteenthcentury%20hoax.htm}}{{nb}} | ||
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Version vom 13. April 2007, 12:51 Uhr
Frage
Wie soll man sich folgende Dinge erklären, wenn man nach gegenwärtigem HLT Glauben davon ausgeht, dass die Kinderhook Platten ein Betrug waren?
- Warum erlaubte Joseph Smith der "Times and Seasons", sich so stark auf die Platten zu konzentrieren (die Zeitung widmete dem Thema sieben ganze Seiten während die Platten in Nauvoo waren)?
- William Clayton war mit Joseph Smith an dem Tag zusammen, an dem er die Kinderhook Platten begutachtete. In einem Brief von Charlotte Haven, die aus dieser Stadt kam (datiert mit 2. Mai 1843), erzählte sie wie Joshua Moore, Joseph Smith die Kinderhook-Platten gezeigt hatte. Joseph Smith soll darauf gesagt haben, dass die Zeichen auf den Platten ähnlich zu den Zeichen sind, von denen das Buch Mormon übersetzt worden ist und er auch diese, durch Hilfe mit Offenbarung übersetzen könne, wenn man sie ihm überlasse. (Overland Monthly (December 1890): 630). Das ist Hinweis dafür, dass nicht William Clayton die Behauptung aufgestellt hat, dass Joseph Smith die Kinderhook-Platten "übersetzte".
- William Clayton berichtete in seinem Tagebuch, dass er mit dem Propheten zu Abend gegessen hatte, als dieser ihm seine Meinung über die Platten kundtat.
- Brigham Young überprüfte die Geschichte von Joseph Smith. Darüber hinaus war er bei Joseph Smith zu Hause und hatte dort die Platten gesehen.
Image[1] of front and back of four of the six Kinderhook plates are shown in these facsimiles (rough copies of even earlier published facsimiles), which appeared in 1909 in Kirchengeschichte 5:374–375. BYU Studies link